Kids in Hot Tubs: Are You Steaming Mad?

September 20, 2011 | By | 319 Comments

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One of the hazards of eating lunch at your desk is opening stomach-curdling e-mails like this one: “I am a long-time cruiser,” writes Ilene Karp, “with over 40+ years of cruising and, until recently, kids in hot tubs were not an issue. It has, however, become way out of control. I have seen parents put infants in the hot tubs and I said to one that all she needed were some carrots and potatoes because she was literally cooking her child from the inside.”
Hastily shoving my microwaveable container of Dinty Moore beef stew aside, I read on. “Infants and kids under 14 should never be in a hot tub,” she adds, “because they are unable to regulate their body temperature. On our last trip on Celebrity Solstice, the main pool was emptied twice by stupid, inconsiderate parents who insisted on letting their brats in diapers in the pool — you can imagine the rest.”

Most of the “kids gone wild” complaints we read about at Sea-Mail International Headquarters fall squarely in the annoyance category. This one’s different. “Chair hogs and loud neighbors are a pain, no doubt,” Toni Vitanza writes. “But these folks are compromising the health of everyone onboard.”
Cruise lines are making an effort to post age restrictions on pool decks, create toddlers’ pools for diapered babies and designate some hot tubs as adults-only. Procedures are in place should the dreaded accident occur via draining the pool and giving it a serious sanitizing. This usually results in lengthy pool closures.
Are cruise lines going far enough?
Not according to Vitanza, who says that “at the very least I wish the lines would have a pop-up box on their websites so that before those with children under, say, age four, complete their booking they are clearly [informed of the rules]. Perhaps those pop-up boxes should even go so far as to let folks know that any violation which results in a pool or hot tub having to be drained and sanitized will also result in a charge to their sea pass.”
Good point, but wait a minute … Doesn’t the responsibility for obeying the rules belong to parents? In a forum post on the topic, member Pavteam weighs in with a pretty shocking anecdote from a cruise in which the cruise line’s signs clearly noted that 16 was the minimum age. “I heard a parent tell her 10 year old that if someone asked — she was 16!”
I find that shocking, but no less an aberration than parents who simply are clueless about pool and hot tub proprieties.
Most people belong in one of two camps when it comes to hot tubs: love ‘em or won’t go near ‘em. I’m in the former, and I’ve enjoyed many enjoyable evenings chilling in heated water. That said, there was one ghastly occurrence several years ago in which a child left an unwanted deposit behind when his parents dragged him into the tub my husband and I were using at the time. Let’s leave it at that.
Do I still venture into cruise ship hot tubs? I haven’t been able to summon the courage to dip in ever since. Maybe someday, I’ll try again — though I can promise to stick to adult-only hot tubs. Otherwise, it’s just not worth the risk.
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    319 Responses to “Kids in Hot Tubs: Are You Steaming Mad?”

    1. julie Scott
      September 20th, 2011 @ 6:05 pm

      Children should not be allowed in any of the hot tubs, or adult only spaces! And who decided that an adult was 16?! Should be at least 18. And these people that bring strollers and 4 kids to the pool that take up 5 chairs annoy the hell out of me. Go on a Disney cruise please! Kids are expected there.

    2. Kathlyn Pumnea
      September 21st, 2011 @ 10:25 am

      Written rulesand restrictions do not mean anything on a cruise ship. In 16 cruises I have never seen Hot tub rules, chair saving rules or kids in adult pools enforced. I feel the security is responsible for doing this. Without enforcement rules mean nothing! My Dr. has told me never step into a hot tub., they are filled with bacteria.

    3. david
      September 21st, 2011 @ 10:30 am

      The biggest problem is always the parents who disregard the rules. Just try to argue with one of them. Combine this with the ship personnel who don’t want to get involved or who you think you’re just a complainer and you have the recipe for a fight.

    4. Pam Parker
      September 21st, 2011 @ 10:53 am

      I am in the childcare business but when I go on cruises (10 so far) I want to get away! Lately there have been a lot of businesses who are “banning” children because some parents have let theirs become totally out of control. Once again a “few” spoil the whole works for all.

    5. Debra Mc
      September 21st, 2011 @ 11:25 am

      Make things easier on everyone (responsible parents who get dirty looks due to idiot parents, childless cruisers & staff): For those with minor children include a highlighted portion of the cruise contract clearly stating that children in hot tubs is a health risk to all (including the children) & anyone found with a child in the hot tub will have their sea pass charged on the spot. Same goes for diapers in (non-toddler)pools; instant charge. Let them know up front how much & they sign the contract agreeing to the damages. Then the rest of us can have a pleasanter vacation. We all got used to sanitizing our hands before entering the dining room; we can get used to this too. The same parents will complain, but you will have a signed contract covering the staff’s actions.

    6. Mallory
      September 21st, 2011 @ 11:47 am

      I think you guys should start learning to get over it. As cruises aren’t for the nearly dead anymore and kids are going to be more and more common on ALL cruise lines. You don’t want to go on a vacation where kids are allowed STAY HOME! So tired of all the complaints… I’m sure your children were just PERFECT.

    7. Judy
      September 21st, 2011 @ 12:21 pm

      I used to enjoy the hot tubs but now I avoid them. Between all the kids and the “adults” who sit in them for hours while drinking, they’re just not worth the health risk anymore.

    8. Mary B
      September 21st, 2011 @ 12:33 pm

      The complaints are legitimate. We won’t be staying home, sorry Mallory. I love kids, no problem sailing with them on board. It’s parents who think their little angels should be allowed to do anything and everything that I dislike. This entitlement attitude is so wrong.

      Kids do not belong in hot tubs. If the cruise lines enforced their own rules, there would be no problem.

    9. Mary
      September 21st, 2011 @ 12:34 pm

      Hi

      I think any one with a baby or kids in a hot tub be fined. Like if they clog up toliet they are charged. How about haveing one security person at pool (NOT life guard or camera.
      If someone leaves a package behind they get a bill for cleanup and refilling the pool and then they should be banned for rest of cruise. This should be posted on ticket infor, in cabin
      around pool.

    10. steve mcg
      September 21st, 2011 @ 12:40 pm

      It’s a matter of health and safety for the passengers and especially the children. It IS unsafe for children to be in a very warm tub for extended periods of time, period. In a world where the request you use hand sanitizers before using the buffets and dining rooms and the ship providing tissues at the lavatory exits to touch the doorknobs, I find it odd that it’s OK to let toddlers and younger in a hot tub. Amazing.

    11. CC
      September 21st, 2011 @ 12:47 pm

      @ Mallory – with comments like that, I’ll be the first person in line to book on a \No Children Allowed\ cruise.

      Poop and pee in the pool are a HEALTH hazard.
      Kids poking their fingers around in food on the buffet after having them “God knows where” is a HEALTH hazard.

      Health hazards on cruise ships are dangerous in such close quarters.

      Rules are created for a reason.

      “You don’t want to go on a vacation where kids are allowed STAY HOME!”

      Currently there is no choice on cruise lines for a ‘no child allowed’ cruise. How about you keep your kid(s) under control in public (especially on vacation)?

      The self-righteous attitudes of some people these days is so sad.

    12. Marc L.
      September 21st, 2011 @ 1:04 pm

      Cruise lines do not enforce the rules for various reasons.

      Firstly you’ll notice that there isn’t really anyone monitoring the pools. Yes, it’s a rule, but they don’t have any staff on the ship to enforce it unless a problem occurs, then it’s up to the maintenance crew.

      Having a single person there to enforce it continuously would mean that cruisers would expect full services from the area supervisor, including lifeguard. Not that it happens often, but can you imagine their liability here with a bunch of drunk people by the pool think there’s a lifeguard present? They won’t even come close to this, and this is why the pool areas are unsupervised.

      I agree that there should be a steep charge for violating the rules here, but it’s extremely unlikely that it will happen. If it was up to me I’d leave them at the next port.

      I’ve only been on 3 cruises so far but most of the children I’ve seen have been well behaved. We also choose our cruise lines and sailing dates in consequence.

    13. Carrie
      September 21st, 2011 @ 1:04 pm

      Let’s face it, cruise lines are catering to families more than ever. These “kids gone wild” aren’t going anywhere; nor are their “stupid, inconsiderate parents.” I’m a mother of two and while I let my kids in our own hot tub (where I monitor the temperature) I wouldn’t dream of doing so on a cruise ship. Aside from the obvious heath risk, it’s creepy and inappropriate. It’s also rude. Unfortunately, you can’t count on all parents to parent, just like you can’t count on it at the grocery store, or at the public pool, or any other place kids frequent. I assure you, most of these parents know the rules. They just don’t care. It’s sad, but the only solution I see is much better policing of the decks. If we see infants in the hot tubs, the pool staff sees infants in the hot tubs. I agree with Debra, fine folks right on the spot.

    14. Beverly Dame
      September 21st, 2011 @ 1:35 pm

      The signs are totally useless. Parents and children and ship staff ignore them. We have only been on Celebrity ships and I have yet to see a crew member do anything about under-age children in either hot tubs or swimming pools. And if a parent allows a child to go into a pool with full diaper I hope they don’t cruise on Celebrity.

    15. Amy B.
      September 21st, 2011 @ 1:36 pm

      I don’t anyone is saying that kids shouldn’t be allowed on ships (maybe somewhere else in other comments). Kids are kids; they’re going to do things that are impulsive, noisy, etc. There is, however, a trend among some parents to think vacation means vacation from parenting and thus letting their kids do whatever they want, wherever they want. Parenting includes enforcing rules and telling your kids “no” occasionally. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to tell people they can’t bring their infants in a hot tub, for example.

    16. Andrea
      September 21st, 2011 @ 1:48 pm

      Parents refusing to follow the rules makes me absolutely livid. The rules are in place for a reason, to protect everyone on board and ensure that those of us without children can thoroughly enjoy the experience we have paid for, that simply cannot be done with people letting their kids ignore the rules. For those that think we should stay home because we don’t want kids ruining our vacations, grow up and take responsibility for your offspring.

    17. Rina
      September 21st, 2011 @ 1:49 pm

      On a recent Alaska cruise we brought our almost year old. He was very excited about the pool – its heated and indoors naturally in AK. I saw no signs that the space was Adults Only, but I did see signs that they had to be diaper free for the hot tub, I believe. The sign for the heated pool was no one under 16. This was odd to me that the hot tub sounded like it allowed some kids, but not the less warm pool.

      At any rate, my child is diaper free, very mannered and was excited to get in the pool. I felt as long as he was not loud and I floated him around for 10 minutes he’d be satisfied. Part of the spirit of the rule is to keep the area from becoming overrun with loud, splashing kids, which I clearly told my child he was to be quiet or we would leave.

      Well, suffice it to say, he quietly delighted in the water, as did I. Then, of course, I saw the looks from a couple of older women. I felt this was utterly ridiculous as she clearly was just looking to start trouble. She confronted me and yes, I calmly told I did not feel we were being bothersome, my child is potty-trained and we weren’t even staying any longer. She threatened to get up and deck me in front of my child! I told her SHE is the one who is acting like a child. Horrible people. It drives me crazy when people are sticklers for the rules despite circumstances. Had he been distruptive I would understand.

      As for the health issue that people here get their panties in a wad about…HAHA! Then old people should also be banned! There are plenty of incontinent people on the cruise that wear adult diapers. If you’re that worried about the contamination – you might want to just stay out of pools completely or get your butt in shape and your immune system working properly.

    18. Rina
      September 21st, 2011 @ 1:50 pm

      Whoops, almost 5 year old.

    19. Anne
      September 21st, 2011 @ 1:52 pm

      I don’t think the point is that the children themselves misbehave – of course kids aren’t perfect – the point is that there is a place for children, and the hot tub is not it. Parents should set a good example for their children and respect the rules.

    20. Dee
      September 21st, 2011 @ 1:53 pm

      I agree, Hot tubs are filled with bacteria. A close friend of mine came down with Bacterial Menangitis from sitting in a hot tub. Never went under with her head, just sat there. She was hospitalized, could not see her kids for a while and lost time off work because of it. It is dangerous for small kids to be in a hot tub due to the high temps. The sea pass charge is a good idea, however when you have thousands of people on a sea going vessle, it takes a real effort from security to control the issue. The crew do not want the hassle. What good are rules if there is no control.

      I fear that with the advent of bigger and bigger ships, there will someday be a big riot on one of these ships. And who’s gonna stop it? Rules are there for a reason..observe them.

    21. Blair
      September 21st, 2011 @ 1:55 pm

      Haha. Stay home? That’s just stupid. I don’t care if kids are places where I vacation however,your kids aren’t and should not be MY problem. I don’t violate rules and bring kids into adult only areas or put them in hot tubs which are dangerous so it doesn’t matter if these kids are perfectly behaved or not, I’m not rude enough to violate those rules to begin with. Nor would I teach my child it’s ok to lie and break ruels either. Rather than telling people to get over it you might want to get a clue.

    22. Tony
      September 21st, 2011 @ 1:56 pm

      You know, my son wasn’t perfect when he was younger, but I took responsibility for requiring of him that he mind me and his elders. I taught him manors and I taught him how to behave. The problem with our culture today is that parents have gotten lazy and expect children to raise themselves. Adults have forgotten how to parent!

    23. G8R62
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:00 pm

      Mallory, it is people like you that are ruining this wonderful nation of ours. My children behaved and did not get into hot tubs until they were adults.

    24. Cecilia Bonde
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:01 pm

      Nearly dead, wow you have some nerve…

      No our kids weren’t perfect, that’s why we kept them away from adult activities. My kids played in the childrens clubs and when they misbehaved I took them to the cabin. The problem with most parents these days is that they don’t want to lose out on “their” vacation time so they refuse to make the kids behave appropriately (because it means the parents have to lose out on some fun). I once had to leave the formal Captains dinner because my oldest wasn’t being quiet and behaving. I spent a good part of the night in the cabin or walking with him on deck. That wasn’t his fault, he was a child. When you travel with children expect to have to arrange your plans arounds the childs schedule and behavior.
      Don’t inflict your child’s behavior on other’s, they didn’t ask to have your child or raise him/her.

    25. John
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:04 pm

      Been on 18 cruises, haven’t been on any in over a year. Reason, out of control kids, inconsiderate and drunken parents & passengers. I am not a prude or a saint but when did it become acceptable to leave your consideration for others at home??? Ever try to have a child removed from an adult only hot tub?? Cruise line staff don’t want to be involved or do their job.

    26. Ebony
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:05 pm

      Children are not the only ones who leave deposits in hot tubs. All hot tubs are breeding grounds for bacteria but especially public ones. Think about it… and research it. Most bacteria thrive in warm, moist areas…. ewwwwww.

    27. Kristine
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:06 pm

      I would bet that even those adult-only hot tubs would be closed on a regular basis due to testing for urine. I’ve seen many an adult drinking beer after beer and never moving to the bathroom.

      Bash the kids all you want-mine are 11 and 10 and I tell them everytime we are around a hot tub or pool to remember there are other people using it and to use the bathroom accordingly. I actually watch and see them get out once in awhile to use the facilities but as long as they are an adult-I guess it’s ok to pee away-right?

    28. Karen
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:07 pm

      Kids should have their own area and pool to play in. Hot tubs are NOT PLAY AREAS. They are for relaxing without deposits and squeals of laughter. The ships should do a better job of enforcing it. This is why I do my homework on which boats do cater more to adults without kids whig makes it all the more annoying when you are trying to relax pool side or tub side an kids go running by screaming. My 2cts

    29. Gary
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:08 pm

      Mallory.

      My question to you is: Why don’t YOU stay home?
      Those without children and responsible families/parents who realize that it isn’t their God-Given right to allow their little darlings to urinate or deficate on other passengers don’t deserve to have their vacations ruined and health threatened by the ill-breeding of others such as yourself. Head for the trailer park instead.

    30. Tori Bauer
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:08 pm

      I agree with Mallory. I didn’t have my children so I could leave them at home while I go on vacation. I want to enjoy vacation with them. For those of you don’t want to be around kids they have all inclusive resorts and cruises with no children aloud try booking one of those. For parents with kids try to find boats with children’s pools and hot tubs so u don’t have to put up with people that don’t like children and have no tolerance.

    31. Jeff
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:08 pm

      My kids were not PERFECT but they were never allowed to run wild on a cruise ship. Parents are becoming more and more complacent in turning a blind eye when their kids are disrupting others. They act as though we should just put up with it because “kids will be kids”. I purposely try and book cruises when most kids are in school. The less children on board, the better. Just because you think your kids are adorable and cute doesn’t give them the right to be loud and disruptive.

    32. Cheryl Lesage
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:11 pm

      Well, I guess we know who has brats that they let run loose!!!
      Please note, I do not believe that all parents are inconsiderate. Nor do I believe all kids are brats.
      But we pay good money for our cruises and it pisses me off not to be able to enjoy it fully. Including the adult pools & hot tubs.

    33. Susan
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:11 pm

      As a parent that always tries to follow the rules (because I know I don’t want pee/poo in the pool/hot tub either. EW!), I am saddened that stupid/rude/inconsiderate parents have to ruin it for the rest of us. We are currently planning our 1st cruise as a family (2 small children) and I worry about how my relatively well behaved children will be treated because of other guests’ past experiences with inconsiderate parents.

      And Mallory–you are pretty rude. It’s not the children that people are complaining about, but the parents that are being inconsiderate of others, and not following the rules.

      I suppose some people don’t realize that hot tubs can be extremely dangerous for infants/toddlers/small children. Might as well toss them in the oven. Even adults aren’t supposed to be in hot tubs over 15 minutes because of the heat.

    34. Katie
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:13 pm

      Mallory, at the prices we pay for cruises, we are NOT the ones who should “get over it.” Kids are fine on cruises, in kid friendly areas. Well behaved, toilet trained kids are fine in small doses. If I wanted to be around kids, I would cruise Disney. I do not choose to have my vacation spoiled by over-indulged children who are allowed to do whatever they want by parents who would prefer to be good buddies with their children instead of being parents.

    35. Chris
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:13 pm

      We have two adult kids.Were they perfect? No and neither were we growing up but we had respect and knew there were rules and repercussions for not following them and getting caught. Sure hope Mallory isn’t on any cruise I go on as it seems waiting in line, following rules etc are just not things she can be bothered with.

    36. joe
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:13 pm

      i am all for a total ban on kids in hot tubs and if possible a separate pool for them,i wish there was a adult only cruise.

    37. T Jay
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:14 pm

      When I go on vacation, my goal is to relax as an adult. Parents taking young children on cruises that are not equiped to deal with childrens needs are thoughtless individuals. Adult oriented cruises are painfully boring to a child which in turn becomes painful to surrounding adults. Parents taking young children on cruises like Disney where the children have so much to do will find they can have some of their own quality time.

    38. Skip
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:14 pm

      Although I do not like kids in the hot tubs, I’ve learned to live them. I do make a bit of fuss when I am sitting in the tub and a child thinks it is his/hers private swimming hole. When they bump into me or kick me, I throw a bit of a fit, claiming that they hurt me. it generally gets the point across. Also, I have no problem getting into a hot tub when a group of pre-teens or teenagers have been monopolizing the tub for quite a while. I just start stepping in, excuse myself and find a seat. Generally they leave in short order.

    39. Joe Brown
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:16 pm

      I was told by someone in security on an RCCL ship that as long as an adult is in the hot tub it is fine for a child to be. When I complained that I was not the parent and did not like the kids in the hot tub playing around they said it did not matter… I was an adult and in the hot tub and that fit their needs.

    40. Tanya
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:16 pm

      I am a parent and when I choose to go away and not hear or see children I venture off to ADULT ONLY resorts. I will be cruising next year with my children (ages 12 and 17) and since they are required to pay full price they should enjoy all of the amenities…

    41. Laurie
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:19 pm

      No I am NOT going to stay HOME. I have worked hard my whole life and can afford to go on a nice vacation that doesn’t need to be ruined by spoiled children and worse yet lazy parents. I took the time to watch my children and didn’t take them on trips or places where they were not able to behave. Rules are put in place for a reason, follow them, or you can stay home and clean the poo out of your own pool or hot tub; don’t ruin other people’s vacation of a lifetime. Adults only means adults only.

    42. Savannah
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:20 pm

      I would like to see more areas that are adult only. I enjoy time with children but when some are completely uncontrolled and the parents are ignoring the situation, I would like somewhere to retreat to for some quite where I can sip a cocktail and read my book or just watch the water. I don’t expect perfect but I would like to see the basic manners in place. Little ones in the hot tub? Just not a safe thing in my opinion. Diapers in the swimming pool? Health hazard to everyone, including the little one. I’ve been on cruises where the children have had impeccable manners and have been an absolute delight to spend time with. I know kids will be kids but when they’re running screaming crazy around the pools and other areas… well.. not so much fun. Parents need to be responsible for their children’s behaviour. I should not have to dodge your child or cut short my time in the hot tub because your little one had an accident.

      Just my humble opinions, of course, and no, I don’t have any of my own though I have many many children in my life and I’ve been blessed to be a part of their lives from birth to adulthood.

    43. Angela
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:20 pm

      I know my child isn’t perfect and I don’t think anyone on this board is saying theirs are, but I think people are tired of parents letting kids run wild just because they are on vacation. They are not on vacation from parenting if their kids are with them. There are kids that climb over stuff, kick and push people out of the way, scream and carry on like wild animals, and their parents stand there and watch. Kids do not belong in a hot tub. It’s not safe. There’s not enough room for them to splash around (which they shouldn’t be doing anyway). They need to go to the pool or something, but stay out of the hot tub!!

    44. Suzanne
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:21 pm

      I have been on alot of cruises and this last one on the Dream in March we were disappointed that the kids were running and playing in the jacuzzi’s. I have been on ships where the signs state no children allowed in them and this should be on all ships. It is a health issue to let minor children in the pools. Actually this is the first time we did not go in the pools due to so many kids running around and the parents not doing anything about them. I have children and they were not allowed to act like that. My children are not perfect but they are respectfull to others!!!!

    45. Bety
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:22 pm

      I agree that something needs to be done about children and pool and hot tubs. There are a lot of kids onboard the typical cruise and they are allowed to take over. The pool area should be out of bounds for any kid under 14 so that the majority of the cruisers, adults, can have a good time. At one time, Princess had a policy on the number of kids allowed onbaord per cruise and that is a good idea too. As an adult, and a retired teacher, I’m not interested in fighting hoards of babies and pre-teens to get a seat or get in the pool or hot tub. All ships should have a pool area for kids that is strictly enforced.

    46. Dianne
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:22 pm

      I just finished my 6th cruise and nothing is more annoying than having out-of-control children in any situation (and I have 6 of my own – yes, SIX. When they were small,I would have never have dreamed of letting them annoy anyone with unruly/loud behavior anywhere.I can’t stand it and believe bad behaviour or even boisterous behaviour is the result of lazy parenting). Enforcing the adults-only areas while supplying “family”pools space would solve a lot of the unpleasantness between the 2 camps of thought, but I have, unfortunately, never seen any enforcing of the adults-only rules on any of the cruises I was on.

    47. Susa
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:22 pm

      My family of 4 have cruised on 10+ cruises since the kids were 5 and 7.

      We follow the rules – the hot tub often does not indicate an age, but parental supervision is required. It is the parents that let their kids run amok on the entire cruise, including the hot tub that ruin it for everyone. Often the hots tubs will be crowded with 20 or more kids at a time – not a parent in sight, and denying any “grown up” the ability to use the facility.

      Often, the kids are not using the hot tubs to sit and relax, but practice swimming etc, because the pool is “too cold for them”.

      And, I have only mentioned the “annoyance” factor, not the health issues. It is perplexing that I must sanitize my hands throughout the ship, but it would be OK to sit in the human stew with a filthy diaper. Really?

      My latest solution when taking the mass market lines is to find the “exclusive” section – the villas on Norwegian, Yacht Club on MSC etc…

      Why? Staff is more attentive to comments, and it is very easy to see parents of children in a small close up section of the ship – they tend to be slightly more sensitive to the other passengers when you can pinpoint their kid.
      PS: The “exclusive” section is also a cure for the chair hogs.

    48. CruiseHappy
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:22 pm

      No my children were not perfect and that is not the subject being discussed here. It is not right for anyone to literally endanger the life of others even if their own child’s life is not of value to them. If you are offended, perhaps you do not see reason to obey the regualations. That is even sadder than those who may have overlooked them or did not know. The latter group is probably embarrassed right not and not at all angry. Us imperfect folks make mistakes all the time.

    49. Carolina
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:24 pm

      Kids love hot tubs! They are warm, not too deep and offer contact with other people – which most people love. My 4 kids have been allowed in hot tubs for years, for short periods of time, and they are all healthy, fit and smart – no brain or body damage. Everything in moderation people. If you want an truly adult vacation, go to an adult-only venue. THE WORLD HAS MORE KIDS IN IT THAN ADULTS.

    50. Saskaboy
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:24 pm

      What is the talk of adults at 16? Adulthood is reached at age 13 for cruise lines (at least based upon how they price their shore excursions). If paying an “adult” fare, should have equal access. As a proud parent of a minor who has nearly 100 days cruising, I’ve watched closely over the years others’ minors being admonished or rebuked for behaviour that would go unremarked if it was that of an adult.

    51. Vicki
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:25 pm

      @Mallory…I have 2 children I cruise with. There should be rules, just
      Ike kids can’t drink alcohol or go in casinos it makes sense. Why would you want your children in a hot tub with grown men and women ??? … Go figure.

    52. Nonnie Dori
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:27 pm

      After reading all of these comments I find myself having to side with the crowd who just wants to cruise with out baby “pee & poop” floating in pools and hot tubs. I raised 2 kids myself and am now the grandmother to 2 great kids, however, when I cruise with them or take them to our community pool I make sure I am considerate of other people. There is a place for toddlers with diapers. They don’t belong in hot tubs. Take them to the kiddie pool. I love seeing children on cruise ship or any where else as long as they are well behaved and properly supervised by their parents. The cruise line is not responsible for watching over other peoples kids in public places. As I side line, I would feel just as offended if senior adults used the facilities while wearing depends. How’s that for fair!

    53. Marjorie
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:28 pm

      ck when they could not afford to bring them on board. I do love my grandchildren at a resort that has facilities and fun for them. The parents on the ships don’t use the children’s pool or the play zone enough. We never go to the buffets as I see parents allow their children to finger food then put it back with their dirty hands. Stand up for others and have some decency to control those children for goodness sake. The rest of us would like to enjoy their cruise as well.

    54. Fred
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:29 pm

      No Mallory u should get over with it I don`t need your children up my butt.THE CRIUSE ARE JUST AS MUCH MINE AS YOURS.So we don`t need children running all over the place and taking chairs near pools and never sitting there.

    55. Jen
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:32 pm

      As a parent of two young boys who love to cruise, I have to say it’s infuriating when parents let their children wander all over the boat – particularly the adults only areas (including the hot tubs). It’s just common courtesy to keep your children in the designated areas for children. On our last cruise we were subjected to a parent bringing her 1 year old in the ‘adults only’ hot tub in a diaper, and a gaggle of preteen girls in the ‘adults only’ pool area. Not that staff did anything about either situation. If they aren’t going to enforce the rules, why hope for anyone to follow them?

    56. david
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:33 pm

      Children aren’t the issue. Following rules is the issue. It’s the old story: If everyone does it, does that make it right?

    57. Marjorie
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:35 pm

      teenagers are also a problem with pushing all the buttons on the elevators, running up and down the hallways till after midnight – not caring that others are trying to sleep. “Children” in their teens under 21 are not considered Adults (on ships) and must be accompanied by a parent. They are “not” supposed to be in the hot tubs. The cost is because they use linens, staff(sometimes are very rude),eat more food than most adult, also waste more – they should pay full price. they do not they go as 2nd and 3rd passengers much cheaper.

    58. Rick L
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:35 pm

      So I too believe that if there are “kid Pools and Family Hot Tubs” then that is exactly where kids should be not sitting in a pool / Hot tub unsupervised with a bunch of strangers. I cruise twice a year and I must say I was on the Oasis of the Sea in Aug and that was the first cruise that I actually saw security remove kids from “adlut areas and Adult pools and hot tubs. I sailed Carnival in March and was pissed after spening 150.00 for a bamboo massage then to steam in the spa that it was full of kids under 16 w/o adults really why are they in there I was told staff have no control they get in via the gym REALLY, I say choose the line that has control… GO RCCL

    59. Marc
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:35 pm

      Mallory, I think you missed the point of this topic. We expect that the rules will be followed when there are separate hot tubs/area for adults only. There are always more than ample pools and hot tubs for families. Why do you feel so entitled to impose your children on others?

    60. MDayne
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:36 pm

      You bet I get steamed! The splashing in the pools is bad enough, but when a bratty unattended kid is rudely staring at you in a hot tub, I feel murderous. This isn’t just on cruises, but at hotels as well. I will never sail again on family-oriented lines because of this nuisance. Keep your kids on Disney and Carnival where they belong and will surely have a better time, NOT on the more sophisticated cruise ships.

    61. Lifetimelinda
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:37 pm

      I have cruised to many times to count and it has never bothered me to have kids and their strollers running,screaming and running their strollers up my ankles BUT when it comes to health and safety issues I believe that the rules need to be followed. I believe that the cruise lines need to monitor the hot tubs and pools much more carefully when it comes to age restrictions. But when you have to yank a child up out of the hot tub because they are having trouble breathing (they were in the tub for at least an hour) as I did (and it was not my child)while the parents were busy drinking and having a good time, it is time to enforce the RULES.

    62. Courtney
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:40 pm

      Obviously your one of those parents that just allow your children to go wild! When you go on vacation with your kids it doesnt mean that your on a vacation from your your kids!!!!

    63. LA Garcia
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:40 pm

      To Mallory we are not complaining about children, but the parents who ignore the rules, come in a child in a diaper in a pool or hot tub is gross. Parents should have to pay for the cleanup and come on its not fair to the other passengers that its closed because a parent ignored a rule. Children should be allowed to cruise but they should follow the rules. Just like Tanya said both her kids are paying full price so they should enjoy it all, but it seems they are old enough to follow the rules.

    64. Lisa
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:41 pm

      I have children and have taken them on cruises…and have cruised alone. It is the parents who are just letting their children run wild who are ruining it for all…after all the rules don’t apply to them. This is more of a symptom of people feeling as if their actions don’t really affect others. My children pay full price…and enjoy the amenities, and follow the rules, appropriately. We try to remember that our actions are affecting how others are enjoying their trip, and therefore, we practice our manners and follow the rules. I just don’t understand why people all feel they are so special, and what they do occurs in a vacuum! I personally can’t stand inconsiderate people, of any age :)

    65. Aggie
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:42 pm

      I think kids should be not allowed in hot tubs-at all!! They are for adults, always have been, always should be. There should be somewhere that people aren’t allowed to let unruly children roam free. The kid people never complain about all the exclusively child friendly ammenities- people who are trying to enjoy a vacation as adults should not be constantly subjected to people and their children-go to the “kid zone” if you have kids. I’m sick of people acting like they are entitled to everything just because they have a kid.

    66. jumar
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:45 pm

      Mallory – Nobody said they didn’t want kids on cruises. They just don’t like to swim with poop. What is it you don’t understand about the health issue involved? I don’t blame the kids; they don’t know any better.

    67. Catha
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:47 pm

      On a recent cruise my 7 & 10 year old grandchildren sat quietly in the hot tub with me for a short time. That said, I do object to diapered/non-potty trained children in the hot tub; also, children who jump in & splash around. Well-behaved children – - no problem for me.

    68. R Ryan
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:50 pm

      The problem is not the kids, it is the parents allowing their children to do anything they want. I worked in schools for over 18 years and the biggest problems came from the parents. I was on a cruise 2 years ago for 2 weeks out of Southampton,UK with over 400 kids! By the 3rd day they had formed “gangs” and roamed the ship mostly at night. Their next cruise was to have over 800 kids! I believe in family togetherness and taking family vacations together. But then keep your kids with you and do not allow them total freedom day and night! Why do my husband and I have to have the togetherness with your kids while you are off drinking, gambling, or whatever else you choose to do without your kids present? The ship has a lot of fun activities for all ages but it is still a ship at sea and can be a very dangerous place to “play”. Every ship I have been on offers all kinds of activities for all ages of kids, but a lot of parents don’t take advantage of them. We were awaken on one cruise after midnight because a 17 year girl was missing. We were 2 days out of LA on our way to Hawaii at the time. Turned out she was in some guys cabin and the parents didn’t report her missing for over 2 hours. My advice to parents taking their kids on a cruise, keep track of your kids whereabouts and the new friends that they are making on the ship. Everyone is on the ship to have a good time and no one should have their vacation ruined because certain parents believe that their children have the right to do anything they want when they want where they want and to bad if you don’t like it. The advice to get over it and stay home applies to those parents and their kids with that attitude. Here is to future cruising fun for everyone!

    69. dianne
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:50 pm

      No our children were not perfect, but they were taught to obey us, respect authority and respect others. We set the example for our children by following rules ourselves. We had great vacations and the adults around us enjoyed our children.

      Rules are made for a reason, usually for our safety and/or our children’s safety. The cruise companies have looked toward family friendly cruises by having wonderful safe environments provided for the children….. away from adult areas. Would you like adults getting into the kiddy pool and leaving deposits?

    70. Diane
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:50 pm

      My child was taught to be responsible for his actions. The point being that I was close by to make sure he didn’t disobey the rules nor take advantage of anyone. Many parents today think a child going wild is just enjoying their vacation. However, when it spoils other peoples’ vacations, it’s time to rein them in. Oh, by the way, yes it is harder to disclipine your child then to let them run wild. They live what they are taught at home. Guess you aren’t doing such a good job after all, are you? Your child will suffer in the workplace.

    71. Dan
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:51 pm

      So, Mallory and Tanya, do you think kids should be able to order alcohol and gamble in the casino, too? Some venues/amenities are for kids, and some are for adults. If the policy is adults only, YOU need to deal with it. Not everyone loves your kids. Let them enjoy all the areas that are available to them, but paying their fare does not give you the right to wreck someone else’s hard-earned vacation. Consideration is a virtue.

    72. Muffin
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:53 pm

      I not only worry about deposits from children. Just do the math one time about how long some people stay in the tub, and how much they drink while there. It doesn’t add up to a pretty picture under all those bubbles!!

    73. Rob
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:53 pm

      I think there has to be a happy medium to all this.

      On the one hand, kids still in diapers should NEVER be in a hot tub. That’s just appalling.

      On the other hand…..the post above that suggests that you have to be 18 to use the hot tub is equally idiotic.

      17 year olds can drive and take a bullet for their country but they can’t sit in a hot tub? Say what?

      A lot of it has to do with what kind of a holiday you paid for.

      If I have my kids on a Disney ship, sorry, I paid a LOT of money for them to be there. Of course they ought to be subject to the same rules as everyone else (be clean, no splashing) but outside of that, absolutely they can sit in the tub with me.

      (I would add that an obvious rule ought to be that they must be in the company of a parent of guardian).

      And while we’re on the subject of diapers….does that mean that those who rely on “adult undergarments” should also be banned from hot tubs?

      Personally, I’ve been on several cruises and “kids gone wild” has never been an issue. Adults who cannonball in the pool, drink to excess and light up their cigarettes wherever they please are much bigger problems.

    74. Mike
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:53 pm

      been on over 40 cruises. This problem started showing up 4-5 years ago and has gotten steadily worse in the last year or two. On the Solstice six months ago, no one but kids was in any of the hot tubs. On a Princess cruise to Alaska a few months ago it was the same. I now book Aqua Class and have a respite. The added expense should not be bourne by me, but rather by the unthinking parents.

    75. Tracey
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:54 pm

      I’ve just paid over £4000 for my 2 children to enjoy a cruise TOGETHER.Why shouldn’t they be allowed to use all amenities. GO ON AN ADULTS ONLY HOLIDAY IF YOUR NOT HAPPY WITH CHILDREN ENJOYING A FAMILY HOLIDAY.

    76. Leabeth
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:56 pm

      I am sorry but I disagree with these comments…I am a Mother to three adults and now a Nana to 6 grandchildren…I have learned to say out of parents business when it comes to their children…and as far as the hottub and pool issue goes…these people paid for the cruise just like the rest of us!!!!I find the older the passenger the more they think they are entitled too…grow up and smell the roses…you are on holiday for crying out loud(as many of you are)…just enjoy the time away…if you don’t like the children…find another place on the ship…they are just like little cities!!!!

    77. Sandy
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:56 pm

      On a recent Princess cruise the kids constantly packed the hot tubs and 35 kids in the pools at a time left very little adult enjoyment. My husband and I had to speak to several preteens to stop running around the edge of the pool pushing each other in!!!!

    78. Marybor
      September 21st, 2011 @ 2:57 pm

      I wouldn’t go near a hot tub or pool for that matter. Would you take a bath with a couple of strangers??

    79. Ted
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:00 pm

      The problem, as Kathyln pointed out, is that cruise lines just DON’T enforce their own rules. I have no issue with kids in the pool or hot tubs, as long as it’s allowed. But over 14 cruises I’ve seen all kinds of “published rules” broken and NEVER seen any ship’s personnel do anything about it. This includes chair hogs, kids running wild in the gangways, kids using exercise equipment, people smoking on balconies, etc. The only rules I ever see enforced are underage drinking and gambling. And that’s probably only because it risks the cruise lines’ revenue!

    80. Diane
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:01 pm

      We had a terrible experience on a Carnival Cruise where uncontrolled kids were dumping buckets of ice into the hot tub where we were trying to relax. After we found someone on the cruise staff to complain, the kids were told to leave the hot tub. We later saw those same kids back in the tub splashing each other and carrying on.

    81. Linda
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:03 pm

      Rules need to be enforced for everyone, period!My most recent hottub experience was the worse, an approximately 12-14 yr old boy kept swimming underwater in the hottub and one of the times I had to remove his head from under my legs. Another female in the hottub admonished the boy, but he appeared to not understand, and all of us thought he did not speak English, and was being rude. We later learned from a family member (younger sister) that this boy had severe mental disabilities, so…my question is where were the parents, and why was this boy allowed to go unnoticed and bother passengers for approximately 2 hours. This happened on the 1st day of our cruise (19 days) and my last day in the hottub, however, I noticed that this boy continued to bother people and was never supervised. Yes, his parents were paying for a vacation and entitled to a vacation, but then so was and I and the other passengers. The hottub rules were clearly displayed. I don’t mind kids getting in the hottub, but when they are unsupervised its a different story. For the people who say they are paying full price for their kids and their kids are entitled to all amenities, are you the same ones who allow your kids to gamble, smoke and drink!

    82. Anne Kinslow
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:04 pm

      We have been on many cruises and most of the children are great. On the other hand, where hot tubs are concerned, it’s both the adults and children. Rules say – no glass around the pools. Why do the waiters serve beverages in glass to people in the pools. There is also supposed to be a time limit for people using the hot tub. On our two last cruises, we watched the same people staying in the hot tubs all day – even eating their lunch there. Rules???? What rules.

    83. Sally
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:05 pm

      As a single, not only do I pay double to cruise but I also have to endure children snorkeling and jumping in the hot tubs! And they clearly said Adults only! I had a father bring his daughter to an adults area of the ship and try to enter the hot tub. I pointed at the sign and said NO! I am a firm believer that a vacation with children is not a vacation and more of a nightmare! So leave them home with a good sitter and get reacquainted with your spouse! I would love to go to an adults only resort but the price is worse than cruising so Mallory get over yourself!

    84. Mike
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:06 pm

      Does anyone else notice all these stupid selfish comments, where people do not respect the rights of others?

    85. Patrick Mesiti
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:06 pm

      People; we are talking health issues here.
      Babies in diapers in an adult hot tub. Are you kidding! A can see a young child who is with their family and can control their ……..
      But not babies or young children in their training stage.
      It is just plain common sense.

    86. BEVERLY DRISKELL
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:07 pm

      I am a parent of 3. If something says ADULTS ONLY, No Diapers in the pool, I have respected it. It teaches my children to be cognizant of others rights and to obey the rules. Obeying the rules is obviously not thought well of anymore (sneeking alcohol on board anyone?)Rules are for a reason. Children being in a public hot tub is unhealthy for them. Ask your pediatrician. Others do not want to be exposed to horseplay or diaper residue that is not their own childs’. Maybe thinking how you would feel if it were someone else’s child not potty trained or an ADULT who had to wear a diaper due to incontinence, might put a different perspective on whether you find it non offensive. Even if this scenario doesn’t bother you, thinking of the rights of the majority who are offended and the fact that the cruiseline has asked this not be done should be enough. Like someone else said already, GO DISNEY if you don’t want to be bothered by these rules.

    87. Susan E. Gruber
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:08 pm

      I was on a cruise recently where several “tweeners” (8-12 yrs.) were using the hot tub as a swimming pool by jumping in and out of it! This is very dangerous for the childen as hot tubs are not deep enough, and have the added obstacles of steps, etc. Where were their parents? In the hot tub on the other side of the swimming pool drinking cocktails and partying!!! The parents’ response, “Please don’t jump in the hot tub, Johnny”…which was ignored by the children. The parents then went back to their drinking and partying!!!

    88. Cruiser from Maryland
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:08 pm

      I think there is an important point that is being missed here. The parents are responsible for the actions of their children even if rules and regulations aren’t enforced by the cruise lines. It’s the common courtesy of so many parents that is missing which can ruin vacations for others. To sit in a hot tub with children in diapers is not only a health issue, it’s just plain nasty. No one is saying that kids should not be allowed on cruises, the parents just need to control their children. I’ve had kids that have been unruly and was embarrassed by their actions. I did not and would not consider their actions to be someone else’s problems just because I paid full price for their ticket.

    89. Sue
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:10 pm

      The same parents of little kids that choose to ignore the rules about the adult only areas and bring there children in, are the same parents that when there kids get to be teenagers wonder why they wont follow rules. Children learn what they live. If the parents cant flollow rules, the kids are not when they get older either. Just saying…..

    90. mary
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:12 pm

      diapers in a hot tub — YUCK — I won’t get in
      that is why they have a Kiddie Section and the kids like it better — I think it is a parent problem not the kids and I love kids.

    91. Mariela
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:12 pm

      @Muffin: LOL. I was thinking about that as well. How you are going to stop an adult answering “the nature call” in a hot tub or pool after drinking beers for more than two hours? Grosss! They should really add some type of chemical to the pool/hot tub water so the the “blue ink” gets activated when in contact with foreign substances.

    92. Theresa
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:18 pm

      My comments relate mostly to some previous comments. (1)Disney cruises have EXCEPTIONAL adults only facilites as well as designated toddler pools. I was impressed. (2)The biggest problem does seem to be irresponsible parents who think everyone needs to “get over” their children’s bad behavior. None of my 5 children are/were perfect, but from a very young age we worked with them on how to be polite, considerate, respectful, etc. Can’t say there weren’t ever any problems, but I can say that it is a lot nicer to be complimented on your kids’ behavior than listening to complaints!
      (3)No matter how much they pay, kids aged 12 and 17 aren’t adults and won’t be allowed to enjoy all of the amenities. They can’t go in the casino, hang out in certain on-board clubs, and shouldn’t be in any other of the “adult only” areas. They also won’t be allowed to enjoy the amenities designated for the very young children either. However, they will be allowed in some areas that I am not allowed in, and that’s ok with me.

    93. Cassie
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:21 pm

      I am a parent and have been taking our kids (8,13) on cruises often. I’d be the first to complain about health risks, poor kids or adult behavior. I’ve seen badly behaved kids and been enraged at their parents too. But I’ve also seen plenty of obnoxious behavior from adults including a fair number of elderly folks. Or intoxicated folks in the pools too. Offensive behavior is not limited kids. If parents have to sign waivers, it’s a slippery slope. I could make a list of all the type of specific behaviors I don’t want to see on a cruise ship and the associated fees. But then watching for hundreds of special rules on a cruise ship would become very tedious for everyone. And if there are fees for each of them, watch the line of people argueing their cases at the service desks.

      Anyway, cruising is already so much less of a great value for kids that whining by adults about kids being on-board feels like pot calling the kettle black. Young kids eat less and entertainment designed for them is limited on many cruise lines. But yet it’s one same price for all. So to be fair, kids already get the short end of the stick on cruises.

      There are no hot tubs for kids. Teenagers are able to control their bodies fine and better than some older people on cruise. Especially since they don’t bring alcohol into the equation. Do we want to ask hygiene checks, mandatory showers prior to getting into the pool and hot tubs for all? Face it, hot tubs are a germ fest with sunscreen floating on top. There are going to be germs that are not yours in a public hot-tub no matter who gets into them. Even if they follow the rules. If that bothers you, avoid them, go to the spa, or book a suite with a private jacuzzi. Personally, I would avoid public hot-tubs altogether for just that reason.

      As far as kids, considering they don’t pay a reduce price, get over with it. They have as much right to enjoy the cruise the way they want as anyone. That doesn’t condone any kind of disrespectful or disruptive behavior by kids (and others) but if you don’t want lively antics from them, cruise on adult-only lines, exclusive cruises, or simply stay away from school holidays to minimize their impact. And it wouldn’t be fair to victimize all parents and kids for the poor behavior of a few. Kinda like not selling any alcohol at all (wouldn’t bother me either) because a few people don’t know their limits.

    94. Sheree
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:22 pm

      Can we get back to the issue at hand please by all you ‘parents’ out there using the old you paid for it let the children enjoy the amenities defense? So…..its okay to let your children’s health and even lives be harmed or ended because you paid for it? Really?

      The initial reason for these posts isn’t enjoying the amenities, its for reasons of safety. Safety of the children should be the highest concern for everyone – yeah – parents included. Infants & Toddlers should NEVER be in a hot tub – it can kill them – literally. Is that what you want parents? Really? This age group is at a high risk of dehydration and overheating within a very SHORT period of time. Use your brains.

      As for older children hot tub use must be monitored, as well as time constraints being strictly enforced for their health and safety. An adult knows when he’s getting overheated and knows when to get out of the tub. Children haven’t figured that out yet. The risk is exactly the same as for infants & toddlers…more increased risks of dehydration and overheating.

      An additional problem for older children is that children as a rule do not just SIT in a hot tub going aaahhh. They are full of energy, and they PLAY in the hot tubs, they don’t sit. If you make them sit, they quickly jump out and go into the pool where they can splash around. (Trust me I know). With the playing comes diving and jumping along with the splashing. This might be okay for a pool but not in a hot tub. There are vents and suction fittings in hot tubs not contained in pools…these fittings entangle hair trapping the unsuspecting child so they can’t surface and then drown. The drains in the tubs have strong suctions which can also lead to the above.

      Now the above scenario isn’t a problem when parents are supervising their children and limiting the time allowed in the tub. But honestly….how many of you parents are doing this…honestly? Or are you on vacation so therefore your parenting is also on vacation just leave the kids to the cruise staff to take care of kind of attitude?

      P.S. Its not the ‘children’ the older cruisers have a problem with. Hint: Its the PARENTS who refuse to parent!

    95. LRGRL
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:26 pm

      I just returned from a NCL cruise with adults only pool and 4 hot tubs. (There was a kids pool) Never saw anyone violate the rules. The few kids that we saw on the boat, and after Labor Day there are not as many as in the summertime, were well behaved. I think this is a backlash against poor parenting than kids, and I do agree. THere are some very terrible parenting examples.

    96. Coolcruiser
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:29 pm

      Several years ago my husband got a terrible bladder infection and our doctor said it was likely from the hot tub on the ship. He said hot tubs are “hotbeds” of germs and bacteria, and the idea of babies or young children in hot tubs makes matters much worse. We no longer use the hot tubs when we cruise.

    97. Lady Hutch
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:30 pm

      I found your post about hot-tubbing and pools in general interesting.

      I’ve been a lifeguard, swim teacher, pool manager, CPO (certified pool operator) and aquatics director off and on for the past 20 years. And if there are 2 things I’ve learned, they are: (a) Pool rules are only effective if they’re enforced. (b) Parents are many times dumber than their kids.

      As for health issues; go ahead and get back in the water.

      When it comes to a ‘code brown’ (as we used to call it – sorry, I cast no aspersions on your good name), there are a many factors that will help determine if the water is safe after such an incident. A CPO is someone who’s been trained to know how all the pipes, chemicals and heating combine together to make water safe for swimming. There are 3 levels of action that a CPO will take when faced with a Code Brown.

      1) Hard stool. If the stool is hard and the water is clear both before and after the incident, our lifeguards would fish the offending matter out of the water and check the chlorine level. If the level was at least a 2.0 (2.5-3.0 is the ‘sweet spot’), then there was enough sanitizer in the water to kill any germs and it’s safe for swimming.

      2) Soft stool. If the stool is soft and/or the water was cloudy either before or after the incident. Cloudy water is an indicator that there’s not enough sanitizer in the water. Even without an incident the pool should be closed and the water ‘shocked’ (a high level of powered chlorine dumped) in order to bring chemical levels back up to safe standards for bathers. This process can take several hours (up to 12) during which the pool should be closed because swimmers can get sick from the bacteria and/or burned from the extra chemicals.

      3) Draining the pool. Honestly, the only time a pool needs to be drained is when everything is green (or worse) and has been for some time. We’d never have to drain a pool or hot-tub because of a Code Brown.

      Truly- you’d be surprised at how often I’ve had to clean up after adults. Also – there’s a lot more urine in pool water than anyone would care to admit. That’s what the chemicals are there for – to keep everyone healthy.

      My big concern is, as one of your other commentors posted, for the little ones. No one under the age of 13 should be allowed in a hot tub for any length of time. We had a hard and fast rule about that. Everyone’s heard of hypothermia, but the opposite also exists – hyperthermia means that their little organs literally get cooked.

      As I said before rules are only effective if they’re enforced. My lifeguards first job was to keep people safe. They made sure people were safe and courteous to each other on the deck, in the water and with each other. Sounds like ship staff could use some encouragement and empowerment to help keep everyone happy and safe both in and out of the water.

      I don’t expect you to post this novel that I’ve written. I hope, however that it helps you in educating your audience. Please feel free to use any, all or none of it wherever you see fit.

      Cheers!

    98. Sherri
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:31 pm

      What should parents do? Duct tape them to the chairs? Don’t let them do anything or have any fun? Are they not allowed to relax? Okay diapers in pools and kids rough housing in hot tubs and pools is wrong, I agree with that. When we cruise with our kids, ages 5 and 9 whom are also on swim team and are potty trained, it is too cold to swim in the pool so they go in the hot tub to relax. If they get too hot they use there brains and get out. I have never seen unattended small children on a cruise. If it looks like they are unattended, it is usually because their parent is only a few feet away in a chair. Boy, does it make me mad when someone is ignorant to me or my children because they had already made up there minds that they just don’t like kids. We were all kids once! Please, life is too short……

    99. Barb
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:33 pm

      Thank you Mallory. After reading your comment this explains it completely and only confirms how most people feel….it is the parent’s responsibilty to enforce the rules with their children and you seem to be one of the many who do not understand this. People like yourself, who feel as you do, are the ones letting their children do whatever they please on a ship even when there are written rules posted that children are not allowed. I did not read in any of the comments that people were opposed to children on a cruise. Something you just assumed I guess. Neither did anyone comment that they raised perfect children or expected children to behave perfectly on a cruise. The issue being and it seems you did not get the jist of it is that children are not allowed in the hot tubs on a cruise ship and it is clearly posted. Plain & Simple. But there are selfish people who feel they can disregard this as after all they are enjoying their family cruise, just like many others. Therefore they feel they can just ignore the rules and do whatever they like to have a great time on their vacation. Yes there will be more & more children cruising with their parents and they are more then welcomed to enjoy their vacation. Hopefully some of those familes will have parents responsible enough to teach their child there are rules that must be followed. After all cruiseships are designed today with plenty of children areas, pools and activities for children just as already stated. Children are not being left out from the fun. I think “us guys” will learn to get over it when parents are a little more more considerate to others on their vacation and would teach their children there are places for adults where rules are posted children are not allowed. No need to stap them up or tie them down, no one is suggesting that. Just please follow the rules and tell your children the hot tubs are for adults only. Their turn will come when they are old enough to use the hot tubs themselves.

    100. ~V
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:35 pm

      Last time I was on a Princess cruise, there were teenagers scaring adults who passed through by floating face down. On another occasion one passenger was loudly proclaiming how the hot tub was so good for his skin condition. (?!) Just enough for me never to get in one.

    101. Molly
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:36 pm

      I think it’s really quite simple, I don’t have a problem with kids in the hot tub as long as there isn’t a posted age requirement. If it says 16 & older, then nobody under 16 belongs. End of story. I don’t get why parents think the rules don’t apply to their little darling. We’re cruising with our toddler son in November. He is not potty trained. He will not be in the pool because swim diapers are not allowed. I respect those rules & understand them. They’re not worried about pee, they’re worried about poop. So the argument about drunks pee’ing in the pool is irrelevant.

    102. Cathyf
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:37 pm

      The article is outstanding and I agree with all of it. We have sailed on 10 cruises and parents NEVER obey the rules for the adult only areas. These “entitled” people are the reason there is so much debate about this. And Mallory, I think your attitude is off the mark. Nobody is saying they don’t want kids on the cruises, they are saying they want the rules enforced and obeyed! The kids have their areas and we don’t go in there and mess up their stuff!!!!

    103. Kathy
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:37 pm

      This is for Mallory – Yes, we had children and now they are grown with children of their own. We PAY our way to have quiet and enjoy our vacations. It’s parents like you that ruin it for us. My sons are great parents and don’t abuse the rules. Grow up and be a parent and let the older ones enjoy what we worked for.

    104. Rantine McKesson
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:39 pm

      I too was on a cruise this past summer (2011) and a child pooped in the pool. It had to be drained and sanitized, taking the pool down for the rest of the day (and night). Also, I observed so many children in the hot tubs that I dared not get in any of the ones on the main deck. I did go to the adults only area, and strangely those two hot tubs’ water was so tepid, I found no enjoyment in settling in and relaxing. I actually did not swim at all, and only twice tried the adults only hot tubs on a 7 day cruise.

      I was also appalled at how parents let their children run rampant all over the ship, day AND NIGHT. I truly would consider an adult only cruise because so many parents these days just don’t raise responsible, polite and well-mannered children. It seems these days the children put the parents to bed.

    105. Troy
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:39 pm

      I agree with the fact that it is not just kids that leave deposit/bacteria in pools/hot tubs. If we are going to start banning all children from hot tubs and/or pools, then we need the pool/hot tub police to ask every adult getting into pools hot tubs, on whether they have to wear adult diapers, or have incontenience issue or IBS which might cause them to leave a deposit as well. So I guess since that happens most of the time to older people, they should just ban people over 60 from getting in them also, because you never know if one of them has one of these issues! I bet people will be offended by my statements above, but some parents are offended by some of the things people say here also. I like to feel I raise my kids correctly. We were able to take our 2.5 year old son on a cruise, he sat in the main dining room with us and never acted horrible at all. In fact most adults around us complimented us on how well behaved he was. No all parents are bad. He was potty trained, but we never allowed him to get in a hot tub because he was too young, but had he been 6 or above and we were in there also, I would have no problem with him going in a hot tub. Most Doctor associations and parenting sites say not to allow 5 and under in hot tubs. I go by those guidelines or by the ship’s guidelines if they have them posted.

      By the way I know it is gross to think about, but urine is sterile unless it touches something that has bacteria on it, so if the people were unclean then yes their urine may be contaminated but if they are clean chances are the urine isn’t going to hurt you. I know it is really gross, and I don’t want to sit in someone’s elses pee, but it is a scientific fact. Take it from a Toxicologist! :-)

    106. Joan Mochetta
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:42 pm

      The most serious thing about kids in the hot tubs is that it will raise their blood pressures to a serious level. I have a hot tub at home & it scared me senseless when my granddaughter started passing out. Adults should be very careful when having their foo-foo drinks while also in the tub. What say the M.D.’s on the ships??

    107. Don
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:44 pm

      Parents who cannot control the behavior of their children do not belong on cruises. This applies to hot tubs, pools and dinning areas. Parents need to teach their children the proper behavior in public places.

    108. Sharla
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:46 pm

      Rina,
      You are exactly the irresponsible parent everyone is talking about. “stickler for rules despite circumstances” Oh, your kid is special and rules don’t apply to him. No one believes an older woman would confront u to start a fight. Your brat was annoying and you are a young dumb mother. Typical
      Grow up

    109. jackie
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:47 pm

      According to the Consumer Products Safety Commission, water should never be over 104 degrees. Most hot tubs are kept at 100 – 102 degrees. Infants and children should be in water that is 95 degrees and for no more than 10 MINUTES.

      It would be interesting to know what temperature these hot tubs are at. And, what damage are you doing to your children when they sit with you for way longer than 10 minutes? Pregnant women can harm their fetus by sitting in a hot tub too long and at too high a temperature. Maybe we should be debating facts instead of arguing.

      Parents with out of control children don’t see it or understand it. They will argue with you indefinitely that their children are fine and well taken care of.

      The cruise lines should allow adults and children based on safety rules. And, the hot tubs should be at temperatures that are safe. Obviously children should not hang out in a hot tub. It is about their safety — not because they are children.

    110. Jim
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:47 pm

      I hear what everyone is staying. However it is the PARANTS that don’t follow the rules. Plus, the Ships Personnel don’t enforce the printed rules…How many times besides this have you seen kids diving or jumping in the pools – parents watching them…even when they are staring at a sign that says don’t do this.
      Rules state that you can’t place towels on a chair to save while you go have breakfast – if you do, Ship Personnel will remove them. Not once in 8 crusis have I seen this enfoced.

    111. Donald
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:51 pm

      Just like a violent dog is due to the teachings of the owner, so it is with kids and the way they act, on a cruise ship or otherwise.
      We’ve decided that we’ve shelled out $2000+ per cruise only to end up having most of that money wasted thanks to bad PARENTS with kids.
      On the last cruise, I was at the railing with another couple. Some kids ran by yelling and carrying on. The wife said “Kids that are that loud should not be allowed on a ship”. I said, yeah, we leave our kids at home in hopes that other crusiers will return the favor, but no such luck anymore. She replied, “Oh, we brought our kids with us, but they act just like grown ups”. About 2 mins later, the couple’s THREE kids came over to them.
      And dont you know, later that evening 2 of those 3 kids were out on the deck without parents cutting away the supports on the deck chairs so when someone sits on them, they fall through. Yeah – That’s real grown up!
      Sorry, but it’s hard enough to deal with those who are of legal age and cant act like it most of the time. When you add in kids who have parents that act younger than the kid, it’s just crazy. Why it is parents stopped being parents at some point in the past 10-15 years, I dont know.
      In any case, we are not wasting anymore money on cruises until we find one that requires all passengers to be 18 & over. Would be happy to pay a 50-100% premium for that!

    112. Matt
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:55 pm

      I recently cruised on the Carnival Glory, and that had the “Serenity” area, complete with 2 hot tubs overlooking the fore of the boat (where no one could look back) for adults 21 and over. It was heaven. My wife and I spent much of our leisurely time there.

    113. burl traylor
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:57 pm

      I wonder how much fun you would have had as a child if your parents felt the way you do.
      I am 72 years old. My 6 six year old son will be going on his 8th cruise in December. I will not go anywhere he is not welcome or wanted. He pays as much fare as anyone. Therefore, he has as much right as anyone

    114. tom
      September 21st, 2011 @ 3:59 pm

      My wife and I cruise a lot and we have come to realize that if you sign up for a cruise longer than 7 days the number of children drops significantly.

      If kids are a bother to you certainly do not book a Disney or Carnival cruise. Kids will be Kids and the best thing to do is distance yourselves from them if you believe they might ruin your trip.

    115. Kelly
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:04 pm

      I have cruised 8 times, sometimes with my 4 kids and sometimes not. I have never cruised on Disney, the reason being it is to expensive! With a family of 6 we need 2 cabins, and we travel during the school year when it is more affordable. RCCL, NCL and CCL are much more affordable overall for traveling with a large family. So my advice if you dislike sharing the pool deck with kids is to book a more expensive cruise line that is not as family friendly!! For us it is more affordable to cruise than to even rent a condo on the beach for a week.

    116. BajaRob
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:06 pm

      WOW. Lot’s of child haters! I agree, and support Adult areas, and kid areas. 14 and up seems reasonable to me. However, there is usually not a hot tub for kids, and the teens generally have nowhere to go. I have been on many ships, and many cruises. It is up to the cruise line to enforce rules. Parents need to make sure the kids are not annoying other passengers. Most of the parents seem to think that the ship is a free for all to kids, and let them go do whatever so they can relax. I have two boys, and have worked hard to make sure they are well mannered. Unfortunately, no matter what I do, there are child haters. Making general comments like “all kids are bad…” That is like saying that all fat people hog all the food at the buffet. We could go after the smokers (wait, we already did) or people who drink alcohol, OMG!! Cruises by nature are for the masses. If you want solitude, total privacy and complete control of your surroundings, may be cursing is not for you. There are cruise lines that specialize in more of an individual experience. Ships are bigger, and you get 5000 people, that include kids, and everything else. Health issues aside, probably more risk from going to the buffet.

    117. Brett
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:10 pm

      Get rid of the hot tubs all together. Kids or no kids, no telling what is breading in those things.

    118. Michelle
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:11 pm

      No one would complain if the children were made to follow the rules by their parents. The children aren’t actually the problem…it is their parents. If there are rules for no children in a certain areas then there should be NO CHILDREN! Plain and simple. And I don’t believe I should have to tolerate a child using public areas as a toilet either. Most of my vacation is where children aren’t allowed…Casino, bar, adult only areas such as pool and hot tub. If you can’t keep your kids out of these areas then YOU SHOULD STAY HOME so I can enjoy my child free vacation in NO CHILDREN ALLOWED areas!

    119. Cindy Amend
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:11 pm

      I love children. I enjoy being around them and I am a grandmother to four of them. They have the ability to make you laugh and they keep you young. I believe for the health of the children it is best to keep them out of the hot tubs, but I have had some interesting conversations with some very cute, yet precocious children. This past July, I was on the Monarch of the Seas and a large group of 15 year old girls were on the ship. They decended into the hot tubs and some very improper boys came in too. I actually went into the same tub with them and I might add it was very crowded, but one of the boys became very fresh with one of the girls trying to take her top off. I gave him the old stink eye and told him to stop. He kind of laughed and kept up and the girl turned to him and said “do as she said”. Sometimes these children need a little adult help. They don’t need to be treated rudely. Rather than look at the kids as a nuisance, try to laugh with them.

    120. Deb
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:13 pm

      Wow…what a hotbed of distress!
      I didnt use the hot tubs mostly becuase they were always too crowded.
      Now I have another reason…my health.
      I have adult kids and a grandchild, do I want little ones on the cruise I book…not really…I don’t even take my husband…who is a large child anyway.
      Cruise happy or not at all!

    121. RG
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:13 pm

      First of all, all hot tubs are just disgusting…..Really, a big tub with hot bubbly water and hot sweaty people..add children in that, you definately have pee in there too. Do you all remember the trick you would play on your friends, stick their finger in hot water when they sleep…yeah it makes you pee….come on people, it doesn’t matter how well behaved you think you think your angels are, they are gonna pee in the hot tub and likely because they can’t help it due to the hot water.

    122. AceDoc
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:15 pm

      It would seem that the policies, and the enforcement thereof, enacted by the individual cruise lines should be what is in question. If a cruise line states that children under a certain age are not allowed to use a specific area, then that is final. I surely do not want unsupervised and unknown adults wandering in the kid’s area. My children have enjoyed the hot tub with me many a time on a cruise, only when it has been allowed for them to do so, and always with supervision. And always for a limited time, out of courtesy and good health practices.

      Unruly passengers of any age should be dealt with by the security of the ship.

      It is sad to see young children unsupervised, and I think that there should be either improved signage and/or communication with parents regarding this, if for no other reason but for safety.

      I like the idea of certain adult only times or areas for the pool and hot tub.

    123. Lynn
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:25 pm

      Non diapered, non toilet trained childrenn should not be allowed in swimming pools and hot tubs. There are special diapers available for swimming and if public rec centers allow these I don’t see a problem with cruise ships. If cruise lines want to continue not allowing children wearing a swimming diaper in their pools I sure hope they are using the same rule for those adults who require adult diapers. They cannot discriminate purely based on age with this one.

    124. Shayna
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:28 pm

      You are right Mallory. My kids were never perfect. However, I always obeyed the rules. If a sign is posted stating that children under a certain age are not allowed in the hot tub, then mine were not there. I for one am tired of not being able to use the hot tub because there is a bunch of kids diving off the sides into the water. It is unsafe for all. I also agree that parents should have to sign a waver agreeing to charges on their sea pass if rules are violated.

    125. Richard
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:29 pm

      The problem really isn’t whether children should be allowed in the hot tubs, the problem is that Parents are not taking care of their children as they should. No child should be allowed in a pool, hot tub, sauna, etc. if they are not completely toilet trained. However, if the child is toilet trained, well mannered, and can have fun without being disruptive to the adults in the area, they should be allowed. As soon as the child becomes disruptive, the parent should be removing said child immediately.

      As for the comment about the older incontinent adults, they know enough to keep out of the hot tubs. That was the most bogus comment I have read in here.

    126. Elinor
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:30 pm

      No child should be permitted to enter hot tubs, they are unable to control their bodily functions. For that matter, so are a lot of adults who hang out in them, boozing all day and never getting out of the hot tub. You know what they are doing and it is definitely gross and nasty.

    127. HaveKidsWillCruise
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:32 pm

      wow what a topic! I have very well behaved kids who enjoy cruising and adventuing out at ports. On the last cruise I was on with my 5 year old (Carnival) there were tons of kids in the hot tubs, only the hot tubs were only about 80-85 degrees. So they were like a warm bath tub. I let my daughter go in because it wasn’t hot and there were other kids there.

      But on other cruises I let her go in a hot tub if there is no one else in there and the tempature isn’t hot.

      Now when it comes to pools my toddler wears something called a swim diaper. (made by pampers or huggies) They hold in all the bad stuff and nothing enters the water. They are required in all public pools where I live or you are not allowed to bring the child in. They should make it that way on the ships as well.

      I also hate bratty children (and there dumb/clueless parents)! I like travelling with HAL because there are rarely any children on board. My kids are respectful of everyone and everything and I wouldn’t have it anyother way. So please don’t judge everyone with kids the same way!

    128. peptobysmol
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:32 pm

      I’d venture to say that most adults over 60 have a hard time regulating their body temp as well. Additionally, after alcohol consuption, the 15 to wrinkled old have a hard time regulating THEIR body temperature. The best idea is for adults to \cook\ themselves in a separate area and children in theirs… I hardly think that there have been ANY deaths associated with cooking children aboard cruise ship hot tubs…

    129. Dave Osborn
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:34 pm

      I have only been on Royal Carribean cruises but have never had a problem in the hot tubs. Is this only a problem on certain cruise lines

    130. james
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:35 pm

      The answer to this one is simple. OBEY ALL THE RULES, and not just the ones you find convenient. If you bring kids on a cruise, be a parent and make sure they also follow the rules.

    131. Jim
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:39 pm

      Yes, the parents are responsible. So, who, then, is going to HOLD them responsible? If the cruise line won’t do it, the other passengers sure can’t, much as they’d like.
      So you paid big bucks for the tickets, so your kids should be able to do anything they like. I assume you paid big bucks for your car,too. Does they give your unlicensed kid the right to take it out on the public streets? You see, the problem is that all too many parents don’t want to take that responsibility, because it’s too much bother. We can see what the influx of teens has done to indoor malls (they’re closing down all over). The same thing may eventually happen to cruise lines if they don’t start enforcing their own rules.

    132. peptobysmol
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:40 pm

      WOW @ Julie Scott! I’d be mad has heck if 5 people who paid for the cruise would want 5 chairs! (sarcastic laugh!) If kids in a hot tub and playing in the pool are too rowdy for you then instead of cruisers with kids doing a Disney cruise why don’t you go on a cruise line with a bit more stuffy decorum??

    133. Coreen
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:49 pm

      This is a poor parenting problem. I was on a cruise in January; a romantic getaway with our husband which did not include our teenager. We went to the adult hot tub and after a couple of minutes a lady with two daughters joined us(4ish and 6ish). The kids started splashing and playing like it was their private back yard pool at home. I smiled at the mom and pleasantly pointed out that this was the adult hot tub, so perhaps she could ask her daughters to act a bit more grown up? They sat still for about a minute before they started running splashing and bumping us. Pointedly ask mom again to stop the splashing and bumping, same result. We left when we realized that she would not make any demands on their behavior. I think it is fair to understand that Kids will be kids, and also fair to enforce adults only zones.

    134. fairplaywoman
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:55 pm

      Ask your doctor about hot tubs. I will never go in one and discourage my husband strongly from using them. The temperature is perfect for breading organisms. Why would anyone want to take a hot bath with a stranger? Although I have seen the signs that ask if you have open wounds not to use the tub but I have sat at the pool and seen people with all type of skin problems climb right in. Lastly young children in a hot tub are cooking their organs. Parents who bring their small childen in a hot tub should be charged with chlld abuse a soon as the ship docks back in the US.

    135. jankie
      September 21st, 2011 @ 4:55 pm

      I like Skip’s approach. If a bunch of older kids are monopolizing the hottub, just get in -they’ll leave!

      I think that parents should have to sign a waiver that states that if their children disobey the rules in public areas, the family can be asked to leave at the next port. That would cut out a lot of problems because it is the fault of the parents – not the kids. Parents need to be on top of it unless the kids are in the children’s area.

    136. amy
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:00 pm

      Hot Tubs are not for children. It is a health issue for ALL. Children’s immune systems are assaulted by the bacteria — Adults’ are assaulted by the bacteria left by urinating children. All you need to apply is common sense.
      Hot Tubs should be restricted to adults age 18 and above who can choose if they want to compromise their health. There are enough health issues to consider in a huge public space. Keep using those hand sanitizers!

    137. Lijen5
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:00 pm

      We were on a Celebrity cruise. The staff would not enforce the rules and the inmates were running the asylum! Kids running free, screaming and running in the halls at 11 pm. Pushing all the buttons in the elevators and running in the buffet area.
      Never mind the screaming & splashing in the pool.
      Why are people so afraid of disciplining their children? Why do these same idiots think we like to have their brats behaving this way when we have paid big bucks for our vacations?
      I agree that there should be “kid free” ships for those of us that don’t want to have to put up with the inconsideration of spoiled children and their parents that think they are entitled.

    138. OBXRon
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:01 pm

      Have not found one hot tub in our 14 cruises that was “hot”. These things are more like lukewarm incubators for germs that get thrown up into the air in an aerosol form that people breath or sit and stew in tepid liquid that is rinsing off all of the others in the mix for longer than I want to subject my body to. I wonder if there is good monitoring of disinfectants in these bubbling cesspools……….I think not.

    139. Arthur Catullo
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:02 pm

      My wife and I have made over 25 cruises and it’s the same old story. Parents just don’t give a hoot and pool deck personnel turn a blind eye to the problem. And that includes deck chairs too. Got into a hot tub last month only to find a “little turd” floating in the tub. Talk about a turn off!!! Very next day, four YOUNG teens were in the Solarium on a RCCL ship — couldn’t have been more than 14 or so. Asked attendant to ask them to leave, he said it was not his job to make paying cruisers mad!!??? Why post the rules if no one is going to abide by them? So, parents, give the rest of us a break: if they are not 18, keep them out of the restricted hot tubs!! And if they are “tiny tots” for Pete’s sake keep them OUT of both the hot tubs AND the pools. It’s just not healthy. Cruise line hotel directors — please take note!! We need some ACTIVE supervision out there.

    140. Michelle
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:05 pm

      You want the cruiseline staff to enforce a rule? Light a cigarette in the hot tub area. Then when they descend in mass as aresult of all the nonsmoker complaints, point at the kids in the hot tub or adults only area. A rule is a rule is a rule. Enforce them all, or none.

      Personally, the last thing a kid, or their neglectful non-parenting parents want is to be in an adult only pool when I plan to use it. I guarantee. I’m an obnoxious annoying strict grandmother type that gives no quarter to unruly behavior from children, unruly adults are another matter entirely.

    141. Lori
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:06 pm

      It’s obvious the majority opinion is the pervasive lack of regard by the parents to teach/control/enforce respect for others and for rules that are in place for the safety and comfort of ALL passengers, including themselves.
      I cruise with a group of very experienced cruisers. The next cruise will be my 46th and no, I am not \near dead\ and expect to cruise for at least 30 more years. Three years ago six of us were in an adult only hot tub when a little 3 yr old girl jumped in, crossed the tub and threw herself onto the lap of one of our male friends. She wrapped her arms around him and was very cuddly. We searched the surrounding area for her parents, told her to go find her mom and were shocked to see her run over to a woman who was on the far side of the area, sleeping (passed out?) She didn’t even get up to a sitting position to check out who her child was \playing with\.
      The next day the same little girl was back flinging herself all over Steve and followed him out of the tub to the ice cream stand without the mom so much as opening an eye. None of us were worried about him as he is a long time friend … but the result of this woman’s completely lazy, irresponsible behavior could have been tragic. When one of our group sought out a staff member to report the unsupervised child, he roused the mom to advise her of the rules and she became balistic … against him, our group and the rules, screaming about her rights. It was obvious that she valued her right to drink and sleep much more than concern for her child. We can only hope that the child has someone else in her life that is more inclined to act responsibly.
      Also, no one has mentioned the parents who insist on bringing babies, toddlers and pre-schoolers to \late dining\. Absurdly uneccessary and always horribly disruptive to others.

    142. Donna Zegalia
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:06 pm

      I have a hot tub at home for a medical condition and I would love to be able to use one on our cruises but I never do. The thing that REALLY gets me is when I see parents with their kids in the hot tub and they are driving into the tub and no one says a word. I think it is ridiculous to allow children in them but its like saving chairs by the pool….no one stops them either. On my last cruise we all revolted. Anyone that had just a bag on a chair got it tossed away….felt great!

    143. Da Mama
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:07 pm

      As a parent, of well traveled children, I believe that some children can be well behaved in hot tubs. I allowed mine in them under one rule… only when it was empty. If an adult came in, they were to leave and play in the pool. Children can’t help but play a bit. That’s what kids do. But the adults are there to relax, and should be allowed to do so in a place that is designed for it.
      There was an instance when my husband and I were relaxing in the hot tub at a hotel. In came an entire girl scout troop, splashing and talking. When one little girl sat on my husband’s hand, we got up and left. Relaxing in the hot tub was not worth a sexual harrassment (or worse)charge.

    144. Stacey
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:10 pm

      Wow!! Very heated debate going on here. Though in reality, I think most people are on the same page. I just booked a cruise with Carnival for myself and my 5 year old son. I am pretty sure there are “adults only” hot tubs and at least one “adults only” pool. Obviously he would NOT be allowed in there, and no parent should take their children there. If a parent wants to be in the adults only places, take the kid(s) to he kids clubs!! To those who say we should all be on the Disney cruise, well, we took one Disney cruise last year. My son does not care for the Characters, will not hug them and its difficult to even get a decent picture of him by them. AND I can probably go on 2-3 carnival cruises for the price of 1 Disney Cruise. Believe me, if money was no option, I would choose the Disney cruise as they have more ammenities, etc that are standard, but then again, you pay for that. If people don’t want to be around children, they should not expect children to be there, they should go to an adults only vacation. I am paying full price for my 5 year old, and he should be allowed all the amenities as anyone else. Of course, he will spend time in the kids club and NOT be in the adults only places or places hat I feel are not appropriate for small children.

    145. PQ, St Louis, MO
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:12 pm

      I was on the Costa Atlantica two years ago for a spring break type cruise. There was a security guard stationed at the front “adult only” pool who was turning away families with children from the area. I saw several families arguing with the security guards but they did not get to stay in the area.
      For the most part the cruises I have been on the children have been very well behaved. I have seen more misbehaving adults then kids!

    146. Kat
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:17 pm

      We all pay money to go on a cruise-payment does not mean entitlement to do as you please with utter disregard for the health, safety and enjoyment of others. I was never allowed in the hot tub when I was a kid. It was for adults, just like alcohol was for adults. Guess what? I was FINE with that. My parents said no and that was that. It is 1) A HEALTH ISSUE, not only for people subjected to children who cant hold their body fluids but also for the kids themselves-its easy to get overheated as an adult how does your kid know when they have had enough? Why would you subject your kid to a possible bacterial infection? Also, I am surprised no one has commented on Carolinas comment about hot tubs being a great opportunity for kids to have human contact. Oh yes, I just LOVE having someones child bump and jostle me, splash and spit water at me, stare and giggle at me, and crowd me out of the hot tub. And what I find the most obnoxious are the parents who leave their kids there-figuring that there is an adult in the hot tub (me) and that I will somehow take on the role of babysitter. Not on your life! This is MY vacation. I may like to sunbath nude but do I strip down on the lido deck? no. I have RESPECT for my fellow sunbathers who may not want to see me naked.
      R E S P E C T people. You can have a good time and get your moneys worth without infringing on others. Oh and as for the “I spent $ issue” Yes and the cruise lines have a whole range of children friendly activities for your children ….SO USE THEM

    147. FlaDeb
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:18 pm

      I don’t go in the hot tubs while cruising – kids or no kids. Call me a germaphobe but at least I’m a healthy one.

    148. Tracey Conlogue
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:20 pm

      I have just returned from the Celebrity Solstice. I was the unfortunate recipitant of a childs’ deposit that ended up inside the top part of my swimsuit. The hot tub bubbles meant that my costume filled with air and this is how the deposit ended up inside my swimsuit. Absolutely disgusting! Celebrity cleaned the suit and gave me $20.00! I wont be wearing it again needless to say.

    149. LadyJag
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:27 pm

      I’m surprised this is even a debate, but I’ll weigh in anyway.
      First, pee in the pool or hot tub, while gross, is not really a health disaster. It’s feces in the water that contains harmful bacteria and provides a health hazard.

      Secondly, in all my cruises, I’ve never been lucky enough to find a hot tub on a ship that is more than lukewarm, much less hot, so “cooking your child from the inside out” is a huge exaggeration.

      Now what I consider the REAL issue is whether the cruiselines should enforce their own rules, NOT whether kids should be allowed in the hot tubs. I mean I know they’re kids, but they ARE people too, and I’ve seen a lot of children better behaved and less disgusting than many adults on cruise ships. After all, kids don’t leave cigarette butts or beer bottle caps floating in the pools or hot tubs, or use the hot tubs as a nightly sex tub.

      So if we get down to the real issue, I say YES! Cruiselines should have a crew member monitor the areas and enforce the rules. That means NO diapered/non-potty trained children in the pools or hot tubs, per CDC regulations. NO horseplay, food, or drink in either place. NO chair saving. NO one under 21 in the adult-only areas.

      It’s really that simple.

    150. Samantha
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:28 pm

      Wow! I am amazed as I read these! We just got back from our first ever cruise. We cruised with Carnival and it was great. I cruised with 2 children, ages 4 and 9. First I will say I would NEVER dream of allowing a non-potty trained child in any public water… gross! But.. I will also say that I was pleased to see that Carnival did not have a posted age limit on the hot tubs. My children had a great time in the hot tubs… which were located on the deck with the children’s pools. If you want adult only you should only stay on the adult only decks. Also.. I don’t know about other cruise lines but Carnival is MADE for families. If you want to be the only ones in a hot tub… buy your own. I paid for my children’s ticket as well as mine. I was honestly more concerned with the CROWDS of drunk adults who never got out to use the rest rooms like another commenter said. They were louder than my children and disturbed my relaxation more than any child would have! We all had a great time and I can’t believe that some people are so unhappy with children on a cruise. Lighten up or stay home!!!!

    151. Linda
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:29 pm

      I have 3 kids, have been on 2 cruises–about to go on #3. I have yet to get into a pool or hot tub due to them being overrun by unattended (seeming) kids. We generally try to find a quiet corner away from the noisy kids. As a matter of fact, people tend to compliment my husband & me on just how well behaved our children are…it is noticeable in a sea of spoiled brats who don’t know better. I love my children, and taking the time to teach them well proves it.

    152. Chuck Denonn
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:30 pm

      Two months ago I sailed on the MSC Opera. It has a handbook policy limiting use of the hottub to those 16 or older. With only two hottubs, I never could find a time when the place was not overrun with small children. When I talked with the customer service desk, I got the runaround. no officer or responsible person would respond even after I filed a written complaint about twice having to exit the hottub when children IN DIAPERS were allowed in the hottub. Unbelievably two months later, MSC has never even acknowledged my letter expressing concern about the unsanitary conditions that they were tolerating on their ships.

    153. Donna
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:32 pm

      I worry more about the children snorkeling and diving in the hot tubs. This is dangerous behavior condoned by parents. I have had kids diving and playing in the hot tub with parents and not a word was said. I have no problems with a young person sharing a hot tub in a safe way.

    154. Christina Richards
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:39 pm

      No matter what age you are, you pay the same rate (even infants)—remember, most ships are “classless”. With that said, why should a person under 16 (or whatever the age the cruise line determines to be acceptable for the hot tub) be off-limits? If a 15 year old pays the same as a 40 year old, they should have the same on-board privileges! When I took my 6 month old son on a cruise, he wasn’t allowed in the pool because he was in diapers. OK, I get that, but once diapers are not an issue, I say everyone has the same rights. If the cruise lines want to designate some hot tubs adult only, that’s OK as long as there is an equitable hot tub for a family. If the hot tub/pool for “families” is much smaller (i.e., not equitable), then we have a problem.

    155. Susan
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:46 pm

      Mallory – my guess is your kids are the ill-behaved ones that bother everyone on board and you are too lazy, inconsiderate and entitled to do anything about it. Please tell everyone on this site what cruises you are taking so we can avoid them and, no doubt, the unpleasant consequences of having to be around you and your ill-mannered family.

      (I rarely rant in a forum like this because it is both disrespect and unfair, but you were such a symbol of bad parents who blame the victim of their brats that I could not resist. No one is saying outlaw kids, they are just saying enforce the rules.)

      On the other hand, I would sail with Cecilia Bonde’s kids in a heartbeat no matter the age. Well-behaved (meaning well-parented) kids are a joy to be around.

    156. Linda Cross
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:56 pm

      The people on RCCL were right on top of this when I complained to a crewperson by the pool. The Princess crewperson blew me off and I really complained to the Captain’s Circle Rep. If the hot tub says “Adults only” it should be enforced. I don’t want to be in there with all your little kids while you are off somewhere doing zumba! Yep, I paid my money, too, and I have a right to be in there with ADULTS. Oh, and by the way, to those of you people who need to wear Depends–please don’t get in the hot tubs! Hello, it’s the same as a diaper, people! Yech!

    157. Troy
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:57 pm

      The cruise line is so worried about offending people that they ignore the rules. Why make them if you are not going to enforce them? They need to realize that letting the people ignore these rules ruins the experience for other travelers that do follow the rules.

    158. Corine
      September 21st, 2011 @ 5:59 pm

      I LOVE cruises, I’ve been on 5. I just had a son 7 months ago and am already dreaming of that first ‘family’ vacation when I can bring my little one. But I would NOT bring my young child into a hottub. Especially in a public setting wearing a diaper. For Gods sake people! Parenting doesn’t come with a handbook (unfortunately) and I know it’s hard sometimes. Fortunately, in situations like this one all you need is a little freaking common sense!

    159. Janet Duffy
      September 21st, 2011 @ 6:03 pm

      I have frequently been on cruises with my relatively well behaved 9 year old who has enjoyed time in the hot tubs. Yet elsewhere on the cruise ship she has to endure adults flouting the smoking rules (a health hazard), awful language from adults, adults hogging seats in the children only areas. I don’t think that it is age that is the issue here. people of every age need to respect their fellow passengers

    160. mary
      September 21st, 2011 @ 6:20 pm

      mallory dear,are you one of the inconsiderate parents who allow their children to go in hot tubs and adult only areas?

      I think the cruiselines should have someone watching the adult only areas for kids.I find it annoying.I never took my kids to the adult only areas until 18.

      People want to relax and save their money to cruise to do so.How dare you say they do not like kids.
      After hearing you-I say i dont like some adults(the inconsiderate,stupid ones).

    161. Bonnie Dickson
      September 21st, 2011 @ 6:25 pm

      On every cruise we’ve been on we’ve seen small children in hot tubs with or without parents. Also every time we’ve seen signs that say that children are not allowed. Also, most of the time we see staff members totally ignoring the rules being violated.

      A couple of years ago we cruised with our son and his wife and when we got in the hot tub our daughter-in-law firmly but kindly told the underage kids who were in there that the sign said they were not allowed. They left.

      It seems that some parents figure that they are on a cruise to relax and relaxing means paying no attention to the behavior of their children. This goes for more than just hot tub use.

    162. Blue
      September 21st, 2011 @ 6:28 pm

      Precisely the reason I am cruising less and less, and staying at adult-only resorts more and more.

    163. Brian Taylor
      September 21st, 2011 @ 6:28 pm

      Get a life – I was on Explorer and some women were washing their clothes in the Hot Tubs meaning they were shut the next day – think I would rather have the kids.

      For me it’s easy to fix, make some Hot tubs Adults only and some family Hot tubs but and here is the catch – enforce this.

      Kids have every right to enjoy their holiday – please remember that – kids are not statue’s to be dusted off once in a blue moon.

    164. JD
      September 21st, 2011 @ 6:30 pm

      The last Carnival cruise I was on (Liberty) had a staff member actively removing kids from the adults-only area; they seemed to have no issues telling those with kids to move to the center-deck pools. The back poll was a nice, quiet area for the most part, complete with 2 hot tubs. It was great! If they’d do that more, these issues would probably go away …

    165. Jean Morgan
      September 21st, 2011 @ 6:31 pm

      The day my daughter was born my mother told me this. “You are a parent now. It is a job that is 24 hours a day, 365 days a year until you die. I know you will do the best job you can and I will be here for you to talk to if you need to but all decisions have to be yours and you have to take responsibility for them and their consequences not anybody else”

      She never mentioned anything about vacations from being a parent or others having to bear the consequences of my decisions. None of my kids were ever perfect when growing up. They had their moments as do all kids but I always did what I could to make them aware of the consequences of their actions and to accept responsibility. I also made sure that they learned to respect rules and what the consequences might be of ignoring rules. They got upset a few times when they couldn’t do what they wanted but they got over it.
      Cruiselines have rules for 2 reasons. 1) to ensure the health and safety of all passengers, crew and the vessel. 2) to maximise enjoyment for everyone. Ignoring rules impacts others enjoyment.

      Too many people ignore rules they do not like and this leads to #1 or #2 or both.

      Take your children in diapers into the hot tubs and pools and you enjoy yourselves. Just remember that when the pool is closed that your decision just had an impact on the enjoyment of others who want to use the pool and you endangered other folks health and safety.

    166. Z
      September 21st, 2011 @ 6:45 pm

      Personally I never get into the hot tub on cruise lines myself,but it was never because of the kids it was always because of the adults. Just like others have said, its not like kids are the only ones who don’t leave to the bathroom when they need to go; Older adults also lack the ability to regulate their body temperature and control their bladder as well as when they were younger I would know I work at an Adult Day Care as a Caregiver and we get at least one accident a week. And what about that group of drunks? All of that alcohol and he hasn’t had to go all night? Yea…. Yes, there are some bad kids out there, but there are some annoying adults, and some elderly people who can’t help it that’s just how it is no use blaming one group for all your troubles. About the raising your child right speeches. Well, think about it, you are on a gigantic ship with unlimited pizza and ice cream, lots of games, and hundreds of passengers. I don’t care how angelic your kid is, he is going to have AT LEAST one moment. I’m not a parent myself so don’t reply back with that “You must have a kid like that” but well, if I did and they were misbehaving what can I do? A spanking could land me with child abuse complaints from other passengers, grabbing him could get me the same thing so does threatening to spank, making him cry, or even leaving him in the room. Before you judge the parents, come up with some good ideas on HOW to get the kid under control. Many young parents today just don’t know what they’re doing and get so fed up they quit. Threatening to throw them off the ship or fine them isn’t going to make matters any better.

    167. DL
      September 21st, 2011 @ 6:46 pm

      The only way to get the cruise lines to be responsive to issues like these is to use your pocketbook. If the company refuses to enforce its own rules or ignores your complaint, be sure to let them know that you will be taking your business elsewhere and why. There is more than one cruise line out there; I’ve not yet been on a cruise where there weren’t other cruise lines with the same itinerary.

    168. James
      September 21st, 2011 @ 6:53 pm

      Frankly, I hate kids on cruises and wish that cruise lines would ban them entirely! Yeah, I know that ain’t gonna happen, but I do cruise lines that don’t pander to them. I mean, I have 14 grand-kids and one reason we cruise is for a little time away from them.

    169. BeachGlassLady
      September 21st, 2011 @ 6:57 pm

      Not only is it the reposibility of the “parents”, but the crusie staff as well!
      Our family holiday cruise last December on NCL was a major disappointment, but the so called icing on the cake, was when we were in the hot tub and a parent had both her toddlers in the hot tub and then the pool! The youngest was in a very droopy wet diaper and when she overheard comments, she removed the diaper and let them return to the hot tub! She placed this nasty diaper on the tub’s edge! Fast exit and talk to the deck person resulted in nothing being done! Written comments made no difference, as farther into the cruise, toddlers were still in hot tub. 29 years using NCL, but no more.

    170. Jojo
      September 21st, 2011 @ 7:01 pm

      The problem is not the children, but the parents of the children. I have been on many cruise and have noticed children running rampant in the pools and hot tubs. WERE ARE THE PARENTS. There are rules and regs. and the parents are responsible for their children. Until the parents take charge, it will go on.

    171. Joan Wells
      September 21st, 2011 @ 7:02 pm

      I do not believe health wise for young
      children to be in hot tubs – the water is
      to hot and they have smaller skin surfaces.
      Could be dangerous.

      Snoho37

    172. William
      September 21st, 2011 @ 7:35 pm

      Not an issue with my wife and me as we have no desire to share shedded skin, and other items, with strangers by using any public waters other than the Gulf of Mexico. Tar balls keep sand fleas away.

    173. Everyperson
      September 21st, 2011 @ 7:40 pm

      Oh for the \glory\ days: Bring back Renaissance Cruise line–no kids under 12 allowed on the ship. Although how do you stop adults from fowling the hot tub and pools? Got it: Start a Pee-Pee Patrol (P.P.P.)–penalty if caught…? Fill in your ideas please…

      1.Clean the hot tub
      2.
      3.
      4., etc.

    174. Anne
      September 21st, 2011 @ 7:42 pm

      Mallory you are the kind of parent I hope never cruises on a ship I am on.
      Adult area means just that, when you finally grow up to a mature adult you will be thankful for an area away from children.
      Incidentaly , anyone ,regardless of age that has no control of their bladder or bowels does not belong in ANY pool, .
      Anyone who cannot regulate their body temperature, whether because of age or infirmity does not, for their own health, belong in a hot tub.

      To the cruise kines I would strongly suggest that if they decide to make a rule then they need enough staff to enforce it.
      Unfortunately their are more Mallorys’ out there.

    175. sharon heffelbower
      September 21st, 2011 @ 7:59 pm

      when my kids were small, we couldn’t afford to take them on cruises etc. so we don’t appreciate you telling us that now that we can afford to travel and cruise, we have to let someone elses kids spoil it for us??

    176. Carolynp
      September 21st, 2011 @ 8:02 pm

      I’m a homeschool mom of two. I wouldn’t allow my kids in the adults only section of a ship because I have grave concern for the growing number of adults who have no idea of what is appropriate in public. That being said, I have heard that Disney zealously patrols the adults only sections of their ships. I would like to see cruise critic get some cruise lines on the record for their policies on the adult only sections, as it appears they aren’t taking their responsibilities very seriously.

    177. Deb Walton
      September 21st, 2011 @ 8:04 pm

      I booked a dream vacation-a cruise to Europe with my daughter on Norwegian Cruise Line-it was a horror, dangerous and Norwegian did not do anything. There were over 25 kids in each of the hottubs my daughter and I could never use them let alone the chaises etc. They told us the cruise was oversold and over the number of kids because these people were invited back with kids for free because Oprah Winfrey had booked the cruise ship for herself and her friends so these people were pushed back to our week and we had to suffer. I guess she had a good cruise though.Not fair and we received no courtesy.

    178. Jim Isbell
      September 21st, 2011 @ 8:08 pm

      To Rena and the others that think bending the rules is OK….NO ITS NOT…..\Bending the rules\ is breaking them. Going 65 in a 60 zone is illegal. Obey the rules, especially in front of your children, or you will be bailing them out of jail one day.

      We used to cruise a lot and it was enjoyable. These days there are only a few lines we will cruise because of the \anything goes\ attitude. It used to be one of my favorite things to go to dinner in a Tux, now flipflops and tank tops are welcomed…even when the rules say otherwise. The personnel dont want to get into a fight over it. There are other dining rooms for the slobs and there are pools for the kids. Slobs and kids can go to their respective places or NOT GO CRUISING.

      This why I no longer cruise on Carnival….its Disney land afloat.

    179. kat
      September 21st, 2011 @ 8:11 pm

      What should parents do about their kids on cruises? They should parent instead of slacking off. If you choose to have children and holiday with them then sorry, you are still responsible to see they follow the ship rules, as they are your children, not your independent adult companions, no matter how much you paid.

      I didn’t mind the kids on my last cruise, but really it shouldn’t be about whether other passengers mind or not – it should be about teaching your children that their wants don’t equal a right. I don’t know how parents who believe want = right are ever going to talk their kids out of using illegal drugs or stealing or treating others badly.

    180. Toni
      September 21st, 2011 @ 8:19 pm

      To Rina…#17…I’m sure you’re a fab grandparent. I’m sure your grandson is precious. I agree that the woman who approached you handled the issue badly. Frankly, SHE shouldn’t have been the one to approach you. Cruise ship personnel should do that. Perhaps she should have alerted a staff member. THAT SAID, just what did you teach your 5yo? You taught him that as long as grandma says it’s ok, he can break the rules. Having him in the adult pool invited others to bring their child in too. What YOU consider well-behaved and what others consider well-behaved are often different things. The temperatures of the various pools are irrelevant. The rules said your 5you didn’t belong there. He didn’t belong there. You were wrong.

    181. Eileen
      September 21st, 2011 @ 8:23 pm

      I recently cruised to Bermuda NCL and was shocked and annoyed at the amount of children in the hot tubs. The parents were usually not in there with them. I too am a regular cruiser and could not believe parents were blatantly ignoring the rules. This ship did have 2 pools for the children. I have never allowed my children in a hot tub because of safety issues and rules are rules!! Why don’t parents understand that. Besides how can you teach your children to live by your rules when you don’t live by the rules!

    182. Toni
      September 21st, 2011 @ 8:31 pm

      To HaveKidsWillCruise…you are violating both the spirit and the letter of the CDC law. “Swim diapers” are specifically NOT allowed in cruise ship pools/hot tubs and for good reasons.

    183. Toni
      September 21st, 2011 @ 8:33 pm

      No matter how “well behaved,” children under the posted age limit should not be allowed in “adult” areas. PERIOD.

    184. M. Honey
      September 21st, 2011 @ 8:39 pm

      Debra MC had the best solution to the whole problem as far as I am concerned. Hit in the pocketbook and see how quick they comply.

    185. Shine Bright
      September 21st, 2011 @ 8:40 pm

      If I can’t play in their area, why should they play in mine? No kids, plllllease!!!!!!!!!!

    186. Rick
      September 21st, 2011 @ 8:41 pm

      Our 1st trip on RCL “Explorer of the Seas” strictly kept kids out of the adults only Solarium, The staff also enforced the nightly curfew.

      Our last RCL Trip aboard the “Liberty of the Seas” was a complete d-i-s-a-s-t-e-r!

      Day 1, H2O zone for KIDS ONLY was running excellently, the cantilevered hot tubs wee open to adults only, no problems except kids in the Adults Only Solarium.

      Day 2 Attached to the Cruise Compass is a note statint that the H2o Zone AS WELL as the Hot Tubs were closed due to an outbreak of Legionnaires Disease 3 WEEKS AGO! Suffuced to say, there were kids everywhere. Spilled drinks, melted ice cream, wet abandoned towels all over the seats, Kids running amok in the Solarium. I was so upset I went to guest relations and griped… nothing happened.

      What really got my blood boiling was at Midnight in the Viking Crown were kids running around a smoke filled bar, with a live band… Kids and no parents. The Same thing at the Piano Bar, Kids that obviously should have been in bed, way past the 10 pm curfew…taking up seats an what should be an adult only show. Adults were forced to stand while kids without parents remained… Back to guest relations, again.. Nothing they can do, I clearly pointed out the curfew and was rebuked. When RCCL called me to find out how the cruise was, the poor CSR got an earful. It’s been 4 years since the last cruise, and I dont know if I’ll ever go back.

      I dont have kids, but I have a lot of neices & Nephews and 2 godsons, love them all, but there is a time and a place where the kids should be told “No, it isnt permissable, rules are rules, and we have to follow them. Would RCCL question and adult lurking in the Adventure Ocean all day? you sure as hell bet they would

    187. M. Honey
      September 21st, 2011 @ 8:41 pm

      Debra MC had the best suggestion as far as I concerned. Hit them in the pocketbook and see how fast they comply.

    188. ChiTown
      September 21st, 2011 @ 8:46 pm

      Rules are there to be followed.

      What’s going to happen when one of these children gets seriously hurt doing what they should not have been doing. Who is going to be responsible when the law suits start flying.

    189. Jan
      September 21st, 2011 @ 8:52 pm

      we dont do the hottubs and one of the reasons is because of the kids…it should be 18 and older.
      i just hate when the parents bring their kids and the kids think its their little swimming pool and actually swim and splash and play.
      and so many of their parents dont care that kids arent allowed, they do it anyway-cos afterall they are being a GOOD parent by keeping an eye on their child as they are with them but where they shouldnt be!
      i am sorry but sometimes there are places kids shouldnt be and this is one of them–unfortunately i have to cruise during “KID” time so there are alot of them, but kids running amuck and running in and out of hot tubs thinking they are in their own back yards and no consideration (from their parents-for other guests) is becoming less and less tolerable.

    190. Crystal Lee
      September 21st, 2011 @ 8:52 pm

      My elderly mother and I had been on 4 cruises before she died and, since I was a teacher it had to be during the times of school holidays. Now that I am retired I will NEVER cruise during school holidays. When we cruised to Alaska parents allowed their children in the pool during seas so rough some of the children were actually tossed out of the pool onto the deck. When we cruised in the Mediterranean one third of the passengers were children. The staff were constantly reminding parents, to no observable avail, to control their children. All adult-only areas were invaded by youngsters, the stairways became a popular albeit hazardous hang-out area and any hall or passageway became a racetrack. My mother used a walker and was pushed, jostled and even shoved by young people who showed no remorse whatsoever. When I followed one tween and confronted his parents on behalf of my upset mother, I was rudely dismissed even though I approached them calmly and respectfully about their son’s unsafe disregard. Mom and I always watched carefully to be sure her walker did not get in anyone’s way and the incident was very distressing to her.
      There WERE well behaved, young people onboard. Unfortunately as always, our eyes and attention are often captured by the negative and miss the positive.
      As always there are people who feel that they and their children are entitled to anything they can get away with no matter who is impacted. Rest assured that they will be cruising childless some day and revenge will be meted out by the next generation of thoughtless, rude parents and their offspring.

    191. Sheree
      September 21st, 2011 @ 8:58 pm

      Sorry…just have to insert one more comment to the “we paid for it and have a right to enjoy all the amenities” crowd. Yes you paid for it, so did I. So the same applies to me (enjoying ALL the ship’s amenities) does it not? So therefore by your logic if you can ignore the adults only rules for your children, do I get to ignore the children only rules for the children’s areas? Can I invade the kids arcade and start playing games on the machines, the kiddy pool and start splashing around chasing the kids out of their pool, etc. etc. How about those hot tubs for Teens that some ships have? Shall my husband and I invade those and chase away the tweeners like they do adults at the adults only tub? Is this acceptable to you? If not, why not, it is after all YOUR logic that I paid for it therefore I should enjoy ALL the amenities! R E S P E C T people. FOLLOW THE RULES and there will be no issues. You keep your kids out of the adult only areas and I promise to stay out of the kids areas. Deal?

    192. msbmommy99
      September 21st, 2011 @ 9:08 pm

      I do not like hot tubs. They are nasty and full of germs. I do not think kids should be in hot tubs but also do not think that the pool should be full of drunk adults either. Just got back from a 5 day cruise – my kids were only allowed in the pool for 5 minutes the 1st day because of the crude behavior and foul mouths of all the drunk adults. I was also appalled at a set of parents who thought it was ok to let their toddler pee (behind their lounge chair) on the deck by the water slides. They also let their toddler take his swimsuit off and parade around naked…..sit on the lounge chair naked and get into the water naked. Security never did a thing.

    193. Dollhouse Duchess
      September 21st, 2011 @ 9:11 pm

      LadyJag is right. We are 3-star HAL mariners, use the hot tubs regularly at sea and have never had a problem with kids, only a couple of times have we even had to share with another couple. Most of the time they have been hot, not tepid. While we are not grave ready we’re beyond retirement age, and willing to deal with well-behaved supervised children as long as they don’t outnumber the adults in any area. We don’t book on Carnival or Disney because that’s not the environment that we enjoy.

    194. Suzanna
      September 21st, 2011 @ 9:12 pm

      I have older teens who have the same issues with kids as old farts in the hot tub. They don’t want any part of either. If you have a child in diapers or training pants, if you have an illness or condition, then YOU SHOULDN’T BE IN THE HOT TUB. I don’t want to relax whild children are diving in a mask “swimming in the tub” any more than drunken loud adults.

      Solution with respect to kids? heat the pools! The reason I see so many kids in the hot tubs on cruises is that the pools are freezing cold.

      Creepy nasty adults? Good luck, there is no solution.

    195. June Kuehn
      September 21st, 2011 @ 9:13 pm

      Mallory, #6. If you feel that way you should take a rowboat down the Colorado River. I do not want to have kids end my pleasure on a cruise ship and I would raise a positive stink if I had to deal with people as rude as you. People do not usually consider a cruise as a baby sitting nightmare. Go on cruises that like children and cater to them. How about a senior only cruise line. I would go 4 or 5 times a year!

    196. marilyn
      September 21st, 2011 @ 9:15 pm

      25 cruises all on Carnival and everytime I return Home I send a note to the company about the hot tub fiascal. Between the poop/pee/beer and Ice cream it makes you want to scream. One parent had the nerve to say “it’s not a diaper it’s a pull up”. She was pissed at me the rest of the cruise for calling security on her. OOOOh scared – yeah right. What’s the point of the signs if now one follows the rules?

    197. TR
      September 21st, 2011 @ 9:24 pm

      I am 13 and I agree, but disagree. I think parents should be more cautious about what their child does, but I’m really well behaved and live in Louisiana, I love the heat. Even I get irritated sometimes.
      @Julie Scott I totally understand, but you need to know that not all kids are like that.

    198. JoAnn & Mike
      September 21st, 2011 @ 9:28 pm

      We sailed the Dream in August. One afternoon I went to the Serenity and ther were no chairs available. There was one being used by several teens…do I nodded at the bartender and she immediately asked the teens to leave and explained it was an adult only area….the teens left. so ther are some employees that are willing to enforce the rules.

    199. Jacki
      September 21st, 2011 @ 9:28 pm

      Oddly enough, Disney enforces their adult only Quiet Cove (which includes a pool and spas). Each cruise line should have a clearly identified space that is adults only and that should be enforced. However, placing an adult only hot tub next to the main pool is never going to work. (I have allowed my children to use such a hot tub when no adults were present.) Placing the adult only pool and spa next to the ice cream machine and pizza place, also has little chance of success. (I have forbidden my children to use the hot tub/pool in this area even though they begged and clearly pointed to other children using this space). The key is to have a space that is adults only, not provide a reason for kids to be there (e.g., only place to get pizza/ice cream), and enforce the rule.

    200. Elisabeth
      September 21st, 2011 @ 9:37 pm

      As a long time cruiser (and a single mom with a 4 year old who has already cruised 6 times without complaint from ANY other passengers) – I can’t STAND people who complain about all kids regardless of how they are behaving. I can’t STAND parents who think their kids can run the show and ruin everyone else’s good time either. I go alone with my kid sometimes, and so I pay full fare for him. He is entitled to use any areas he is old enough for – and is entitled to a full chair on deck if I am there early enough – regardless of the crowd. As for hot tubs, I have a hard and fast rule – on land or at sea – he may sit at the edge holding my hand and play with cups of water, but may not put any more than his feet in the water. If anyone else gets into the tub, I ask immediately if they are ok with him being in there – usually they are, or they wouldn’t have elected to join that particular tub. We always go into an empty tub or ask before joining one with people in it. Most people are more than willing to say “we’d rather not”. And if they look uncomfortable, we quickly say goodbye and leave. No harm, no foul. This way the issue is nothing more than whether or not the adults are annoyed, and I can still go into the hot tub and enjoy time with my son during my vacation. Not all parents spend their vacation escaping their kids and their job … some of us just need the space to enjoy our family without work getting in the way, and don’t have other adults to rely on for their care. I don’t take my son along to dump him in kids clubs all day either … Though I guess that may be why he is pretty well behaved – he gets the attention he needs and I DO take the time to worry about other people’s comfort level around kids.

      A side note – the person who said the pools were drained several times on one of her cruises … I’ve been on over 20, and have yet to see the pool drained more than once, and that was a routine cleaning from the looks of it … that seems like an awful lot of pooping for one cruise. I usually feel I would be in more danger from people having bad hand washing habits in the food lines …

      Either way, I can’t say that even as a single gal kids in the hot tub ever bothered me. As a a mom it bothers me only if the tub is very hot since I fear very young babies and toddlers will get sick from the heat …

    201. Rich Pierpaoli
      September 21st, 2011 @ 9:47 pm

      I am a big bellied, hairy 58 year old guy. I always use the hot tubs with friends that we came with on the ship and ones we meet on the ship. When we want to get into a hot tub and it happens to be filled with kids, I get in the tub and just stare at them. It is amazing how quickly I am enjoying the hot tub with my friends. The kids actually jump out of the thing like Asian carp out of Lake Michigan.

    202. Elisabeth
      September 21st, 2011 @ 9:51 pm

      Oh, and for those who don’t think my child should be in the dining room … on my last cruise, I had to ask waitstaff to ask a middle aged gentleman (and I use that term loosely) to quiet down, after my then 3 year old told me “that man is being inappropriate mommy!” … he must have dropped the F word 6 times in less than a minute … loudly. Don’t tell me my toddler doesn’t know how to behave. All kids ARE different, and it is not bending the rules to allow a well behaved child access to an area that is not strictly designated as adults only. I agree – hot tubs (being in them) is adults only … but getting all worked up over kids ruining your cruise … there are a lot of worse things that could ruin your cruise. Also, on most cruiselines, adults are allowed in the arcade.

    203. Kim
      September 21st, 2011 @ 9:57 pm

      Re: Susan #33 BRAVO! WELL SAID! I’ve cruised with and without my children and I completely GET IT why folks get so frustrated regarding children! I explained BEFORE the cruise that there were adult area and kid areas and that our family would FOLLOW THE RULES regardless of what other families allowed. My children may have ASKED to go into an adult pool or hot tub or club, but all I had to do was point to the adults only sign and that was the end of the discussion! It has NOTHING to do with “whether or not you have kids” – it’s about following the rules. Kids don’t bother me at all – it’s those who are inconsiderate of others that bother me – especially PARENTS who teach their children that it’s okay to break rules and infring on other people. MALLORY, I hope your 5 yo couldn’t read when you broke the rules – by now he can, so stop and think about your teaching him (through your own actions) how to break rules! To all parents who do NOT parent: Don’t you dare ask or wonder what you did wrong when your rule breaking kid breaks the law at 16! THIS is what you did…YOU taught them! Blessings to all those parents (and there are MANY of you out there!) who parent your children well. It’s true that YOUR children go unnoticed because they are well behaved. Make it a point to commend those parents and children who are well behaved and obey the rules. MALLORY, you will someday reap what you have sowed. Good luck.

    204. Joy
      September 21st, 2011 @ 10:26 pm

      I agree with jankie. Disobeying rules should be expulsion from the cruise at the next port. Those who expound their “right” since they paid the fares, need to realize everyone else paid their fares and would like to enjoy their time aboard without having to deal with parents who will not watch after their children and obey the rules. When a pool or hot tub needs to be shut down for cleaning and sanitizing all those people who paid their fares to use all the facilities are denied that so maybe the ones disobeying the rules which cause this should have to reimburse all those other passengers. That not being possible, then removing the offenders at the next port seems to be the answer.

    205. Joe
      September 21st, 2011 @ 10:30 pm

      If kids would just sit in the hot tub, that wouldn’t be so bad. But I have seen un- supervised kids jumping and diving in these shallow pools and some were even swimming under the water with goggles! Sometimes I would be soaking with my family and kids would just jump in and bruise my wife’s thigh with a back and blue mark and land on my unmentionables causing discomfort. I have 4 kids, and when they were young, they were always never out of our site or let them run around loose to bother anybody. We respected other people space’s and did not subject then to our offspring antics. Kids will be kids, BUT PARENTS HAVE TO BE PARENTS!

    206. Starrw
      September 21st, 2011 @ 10:31 pm

      Body temperature must be maintained within a narrow range. When it gets too hot, all kinds of metabolic problems occur, which can often result in death. Adults can handle a short visit to the hot tub at 100 to 104 degrees F, because their bodies are capable of regulating internal temperature for a short time. But infants and small children cannot. It is generally recommended not to allow hot tub use at all for babies, and to be extremely cautious with children between 3 and 12. Strictly limit the amount of time they are in the hot tub to 10 minutes, with a resting period of over 1 hour. Even adults and children over 12 should limit the time that they stay in a hot tub. It may seem relaxing and comfortable, but it could be dangerous when you least suspect it.

    207. sandyh
      September 21st, 2011 @ 10:49 pm

      I’m always afraid one of these kids are going to fall and hit their heads. It’s not a McDonalds playland or wading pool.

      Maybe a posted sign saying, “Not Responsible for Concussions, Broken Noses, and Permanent Infertility in Minors” would scare off some of these inconsiderate parents?

    208. Stan
      September 21st, 2011 @ 10:54 pm

      I repeatedly complained to the Security ( it said so on his shoulder) guard on several Celebrity ships about children in the Thalassostherapy Hot Tubs and was told that their instructions were not to say anything to children in the tubs even though there was a sign forbidding them to be there. On both ships, the cruise director told me the same, and admitted that he receivd complainrts often about non-enforcement, and said it was company policy not to offend anyone( escept those who complained about the children).

    209. Caroline
      September 21st, 2011 @ 10:56 pm

      Speaking of unsanitary diapers in the hot tub…you are so right. All of those grumpy, wrinkly old spoiled brats with incontinence wearing depends really shouldn’t be allowed in the hot tub with my clean, healthy, young children. TEAM MALLORY!

    210. vanessa
      September 21st, 2011 @ 11:33 pm

      My husband and I cruise between Oct. and May. Never, ever, June, July, or Aug. Less children. The one time we cruised in June was a nightmare. The kids on our cruise were throwing the sports equipment overboard! I busted them and turned them in. The youngest hoodlum was 11yrs old. They called me some choice names. The Mom of one said \thanks for screwing up my vacation\. No minor should be allowed to wander the ship without a parent.

    211. Celebrity cruiser
      September 21st, 2011 @ 11:46 pm

      Hot tubs are for kids PERIOD. Kids under 18. Celebrity ignores its posted pool/hot tub requirements. Kids have their own activites on board so they don’t bother others – they should have their own pool/hot tub too.

    212. deane
      September 21st, 2011 @ 11:47 pm

      OK, I have been on cruises with my kids and without. Royal Caribbean has great children’s programs & most children never want to see their parents while on them! The staff keeps them entertained & supervised. If you have to tote your kids around with you, either you don’t pay enough attention to them when not on vacation or you have control issues. Start early in showing kids how to behave properly, and it’s no problem. I, myself can’t tolerate the heat of hot tubs, I can only imagine what a kid feels!

    213. Celebrity cruiser
      September 21st, 2011 @ 11:48 pm

      Hot tubs are for adults PERIOD, just like at gyms. Kids are under 18. Celebrity ignores its posted pool/hot tub requirements. Kids have their own activites on board so they don’t bother others – they should have their own pool/hot tub too.

    214. SunnyRegards
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 12:01 am

      I use to look for a cruise that didn’t have so many old fogies and now I am the old fogie. Over the past 5 years the cruise lines have done everything imaginable to entice families to vacation with them. The ships were like all inclusive adult vacations but those days are gone so I try to choose a cruise week when most of the little darlings are in school.

    215. Jessica
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 1:13 am

      @ Rina (#17)

      Thank you for demonstrating just the type of self-important and terrible behavior most of us are trying to convey.

      You KNEW it was against the rules and did it anyway because you wanted to. You even have the arrogance to say you don’t think you should have to follow rules that you don’t see a reason for. It must be nice to be so special that you get to decide which rules apply to you and which don’t. Also, THANK YOU for teaching your precious little snowflake to have the same attitude. I’m sure he’s learning from your example how to be a terrible member of society.

    216. Jeff
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 1:31 am

      What part of rules do people not understand…If it says adults only then thats what it should be! I do agree that in the passenger contract there should be a notice that should be signed about the not allowing of diapers or ”swimmers” in the pools, hot tubs etc. This includes adults in such items, too! Its a
      breech of sanitation. A charge should be added to your shipboard acct. to do the nessacary cleaning. If they have to drain the pool becuse your lil’ angel added a present to the water.. Its on you! Not to mention the rath of hundreds of other passengers…that would be worse then the charge!

    217. Matt
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 3:09 am

      Kids in hot tubs. Is this really all cruise goers have to worry about? I’ve been on many cruises with 2 children and have found 99% of my fellow travellers to be friendly, welcoming and entertaining. I think the issue is that people forget where they are: a cruise ship is no more than a floating hotel – it is not some upper class ocean liner in the 1920s.

      If people don’t want kids on their holiday (and that unfortunately includes the ones that misbehave – because there are some on every ship). Then I suggest they book an adults only holiday.

    218. Carolann
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 4:06 am

      Tanya: It’s great that you’re cruising with your kids, but your entitled attitude is wrong. You paid full fare for them and, therefore, they should be able to go every place and use every amenity on the ship? No. There are adults only areas, just as there are children only areas. I paid full fare, so should I be allowed to demand entry into the children’s program facilities? I think not. Quite simply, as long as you take responsibility for your children’s behavior (such as not screaming and running down the passageways and other things that disrupt other passengers) and make sure they follow the rules (such as not going into the adults only hot tubs or pools and other adults venues), then you and your children will be most welcome by 99% or so of your fellow passengers. For the record, I don’t like adults who are disruptive or loud, drunk, and rude or who complain and whine constantly or who think that they are the center of the universe either. Cruising is just for families with children; cruising is for everyone. What it takes is simple respect, which is sadly lacking all around sometimes.

    219. J. Prisk
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 4:20 am

      We are a family with 4 children. In the last 2 years we have been on 4 cruises with 3 different companies. On every ship, we have encountered problems especially on the pool decks concerning rules not be enforced. From people using 6 chairs for 2 children to shade them from the sun, to naked children, and babies and young children in the ADULT only hot tubs. The problem is not the children. Like many have said, children will be children. They must be taught and constantly reminded to do what is right and told what they should do. I know very few children who come home and do their homework and chores without being told or reminded by their parents. The problem IS the parents. They don’t want the hassle or the stress involved to parent properly. It is evident all across America and in other countries. We are letting the kids call the shots because we are lazy parents. You may place some of the blame on the cruise ships for not allowing staff to enforce the rules or requiring that people follow the rules, but the overwhelming majority of the blame is on the irresponsible and incompetent parents. We enjoy cruising with our children and our children enjoy the other kids. We fully acknowledge that our children are by no means perfect and do make mistakes, but we do teach them to obey. If they no something wrong or are not following the rules, we tell them NO. If need be, we leave the area and return to the stateroom so as not to bother others and to discuss the problem. For example, our 8 yr. old belched loudly at the table. SO he was told sternly NO, and then he was not permitted to return to the kids club. If they act up, they are not allowed to do something they wanted to do, it’s called punishment or negative reinforcement. Guess what people, it works. Our last cruise in particular was the worst concerning the children and their parents and the fact that the cruise staff would or could not do anything about it. We had a wonderful window view seat in our dinning room. Next to us and at the next window was a table with 3 children. And behind us was another table with a child. All 4 of the other children were loud and disruptive at every dinner. They were all over running and yelling, pushing and fighting even punching the youngest which caused him to scream. This continued almost every night; the pushing, screaming, crying. And they would come over to our table and and sit in our window and continue. The parents said nothing. My husband was livid. It ruined our dining experience. Here we had this lovely view out of the window, but it was filled with other people’s brats and constant unpleasant noise. We asked our waiter to do something, he couldn’t or wouldn’t. Then my husband spoke with our head waiter about it. He made it seem like his hands were tied. Supposedly they called the people and spoke with them in their stateroom. The people began to at least keep their kids out of our window, but they fighting and noise didn’t stop. Is it just me or, wouldn’t this not be allowed at a fine dining restaurant? That is what this was, a fine dining restaurant. Even a movie theater would have kicked them out. Why not the cruise ships? On the pool deck, the rules state NO SAVING CHAIRS. The work staff will not vacate a chair until it has been left for 30 min. or more. My husband timed it. 1 hour and 45 min. later, no one had even come to the chairs, but they wouldn’t allow someone else to move the toy bucket and shovel and use the chairs. They also would not tell the people using 6 chairs with towels draped over them to shade their 2 children, that they could not do that. We were searching for 45 min. to find a place to sit a keep an eye on our younger 2 children in the pool. It seems the cruise lines would rather accommodate the rule breakers than the ones trying to follow the rules. Why are we the ones being made to suffer? We make our kids obey the rules, yet we are the ones being punished. Why is this?

    220. Judy LaSpada
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 7:59 am

      I will be one of the first people in line for a “no children allowed” cruise. I deal with kids five days a week. Is it the time we live in or just that some parents just feel gulity because they both work and do not spend enough time with their kids. Husband and I have been crusing for the past ten years. In those years the number of kids on the ships have increased by leaps and bounds. I have seen kids( ages 8-12) take over hot tubs for hours while parents and cruise staff look the other way. Unless the rules are enforced, I am sad to say that this will only get worse!!!! We will continue to cruise but spending more time in our suite or at our favorite bar.

    221. shadowmatrix
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 8:07 am

      1. My child pays the same as anyone else so they’re entitled to everything.

      No…if you’re paying full price for a small child, get another travel agent. Small children, as with senior citizens, get a discount. Third and fourth passengers in the same cabin also pay reduced fee. According to the pay schedule, your child gets to use 10% less of the ship than I do. That 10% would be the hot tubs, casino, and pubs. Next argument?

      2. People who hate kids should go on adult oriented cruises.

      Please name a cruise that doesn’t allow children at all and I’ll gladly go on it.

      3. You obviously hate all kids because they’re having a good time just like the adults.

      No, we just hate your lack of parenting skills and common sense.

      4. There’s so little activities for children to do, they have no choice but use adult facilities.

      Again, fire your travel agent…or stop being too lazy to research cruise lines. There are plenty of cruise lines that cater to children, like Disney or Carnival. Why would you take a child on an adult-themed ship and then complain there’s nothing for them to do, forcing them to break rules and annoy adults?

    222. Margaret
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 8:24 am

      I’ve been cruising since the late 1960′s and when hot tubs started to appear on cruise ships I enjoyed relaxing in them. I also spend a lot of time in the ships pools. I’m stick and tired of the lack of montoring at the pool decks. I NEVER go in the hot tubs because they are full of children from 2 years up to 16 who think it’s a pool, splash around and show total disregard for adults. And I’m SICK of seeing parents \dunking\ their diapered infants in the pools while the cruise staffers turn their backs. And this is on all lines, RCL, NCL, Celebrity, Princess, etc. God Bless Carnival who has an adult only pool and enforces the rule.

    223. cyndie
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 8:30 am

      ICK. EWWWWW!

      I’m in the ‘don’t go near them’ category. Last cruise I was on (Carnival Glory), the Hot Tub was over flowing with kids… small children. They may as well call it the kiddie pool. However, I did see the pools in the adult section were mostly child-free. I did see a couple of them in there one day.

    224. Judy
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 8:32 am

      Rules are rules no matter where you are. That is plain and simple. Obey the rules and the cruise lines should make sure that the rules they create for the fun, safety and welfare of all are enforced. Fees work wonders for irresponsible parents. And yes, I had children and have grandchildren and no, they are not perfect but I obey the rules. What is up with society when rules are not followed? And what are you teaching your children if you do not teach them to follow rules? They learn by example.

    225. gweduck
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 8:49 am

      It all comes down to “that rule doesn’t apply to me” attitude. I honestly believe some people think the rules don’t apply to them and they will make every excuse in the book to support thier argument.
      As for me, I am too old, or is that half dead, to deal with inconsiderate people. I do stay home.

    226. mary
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 9:14 am

      Children are at higher risk

      All hot tub and pools should have restricted access to prevent drowning.

      Children are at higher risk of overheating than adults. Parents should not let their children stay in hot tubs for more than five minutes at a time. Toddlers and babies are most at risk to over-heating and should not be permitted in the hot tub.

      Small children are also at higher risk of getting trapped underwater by the suction from an outlet opening. To help prevent this, all pool outlets should have a screen over them.

      Parents must supervise their children at all times. Most hot tub accidents involving children occur when the children are not supervised, or while their supervisors are distracted, even for a brief moment.

      Know where the shut-off switch to the pump is located.

      Alcohol and drugs increase risk

      Alcoholic beverages and some drugs can cause drowsiness. They can also lower the body’s resistance to the effects of overheating. Most adult accidents are alcohol or drug related.

      Keep the tub clean and the water disinfected

      It is the owner’s responsibility to ensure the hot tub is clean and the water is properly disinfected to prevent the spread of disease. It is important to maintain the proper level of disinfectant to ensure clean and safe water in hot tubs and pools. Chlorine is the most commonly used disinfectant. The more a hot tub is used, the faster the disinfectant in the water gets used.

      Therefore, before and after use you should check and add chlorine or other disinfectant if it is low. For more information on disinfectants and water quality, see HealthLink BC File#27b Hot Tubs: Safe Water Quality.

      To help keep pools clean, you should also drain and scrub them with a bleach solution at least monthly, more often for heavily used pools. Filters and pumping systems should be cleaned and serviced on a regular basis.

      Bacteria and dirt on surfaces may enter the tub with you. Always keep surfaces and decks around the hot tub clean. Steam condensing under the lid can be a perfect place for many bacteria to live, so it should be wiped off with a bleach solution.

      Always shower or bathe before using a hot tub. Use soap to remove body oils. This helps keep the hot tub free of germs and uses less disinfectant as well.

      Water temperature

      The temperature should never exceed 104° F or 40° C. Staying or bathing in hot water for a long time can cause severe heat-related illnesses and even death.

      Pregnant women

      Pregnant women may be at higher risk of overheating when they are in a hot tub or hot water. Generally, pregnant women should stay in a hot tub for only 10 minutes – or less if they start to feel uncomfortable.

      Excessive heat and lengthy soaks should be avoided. Make sure to lower the temperature to below 38.9° C or 102° F. Ask an adult to help you in and out of the hot tub. You should get out immediately if you feel dizzy or faint or if you have a rapid pulse, irregular heartbeat, stomach pain or tingling in the hands or feet.

    227. nancy
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 9:34 am

      I agree parents need to follow the rules and enforce their childrens behavior. Our children were not perfect by any stretch of the imagination however, they were not allowed to run wild and if it was posted no children allowed then they were not permitted to go. They understood that somethings were meant for adults only. We don’t get into the ball pit an amusement establishment the children shouldn’t be in an adults only area of anything. IMHO that is one thing wrong with todays society everybody thinks everybody, young, old should have the same things. Some things are to be earned and this is just one of many.

    228. floridavet
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 9:55 am

      I believe it was comedian Ron White who coined the phrase in one of his stand-up routines…”you can’t fix stupid!” Many children these days (and admittedly some in my own family) are being raised to believe there are no consequences to breaking the rules. If parents don’t instill in youngsters a respect for society’s rules, we certainly cannot expect the cruise lines to pick up the slack. Unfortunately, Ron is correct.

    229. +Sherri
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 9:58 am

      CHILDREN under the age of 13 should NEVER be allowed into a hot tub. Too many younger kids tend to treat it as a heated swimming pool and put themselves at a health risk by putting their head totally under the water. Teens 13-17 should be accompanied by an adult. If parents accompany their teen into the hot tub they have the opportunity to teach them.

      MALLORY: I think GARY has a solid lead on how to improve your living conditions.

      God Bless America & our Troops!

    230. janey
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 10:10 am

      Whatever happened to the wonderful kids programs that kept the kid’s busy and having thier own fun without adults! My kids cruised for many years and loved hanging out with other kids and seeing us at dinner and shore. There wasn’t the kids running amuck like there are now. Truely the cruise staff has dwindled in the last 10 years. I say there are some wonderful areas for kids on the new ships and they should have so much to do there with the exicted cruise staff they used to have that they wouldn’t want to hang out in adult areas. They should be the ones complaining that they want a break from adults !
      When I first started cruising the staff meant my kids right at the entery and off they went to have their great vacation. You don’t see that anymore. They also didn’t allow any children under 2 years old to cruise. I’m sure this was stopped for the great reason of $.
      Yes, the kid’s should have their own fun but not at the expense of the adults who want some alone time and the ships do have kiddy pools for the little ones and that’s where they should be so they can control the little mishaps that migtht occur. Parents just use common sense !!!!!!!!!!! Watch over your sweet kids and not let them bcome a nuisiance to others!

    231. DAVID
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 10:20 am

      In a few months if you smoke in your cabin you will be charged a $250.00 cleaning fee. If you let your child have an accident in the pool or hot tub I think you should also be charged a $250.00 cleaning fee.

    232. Janet
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 10:49 am

      Kim has just said everything so well. I raised 3 children and now have 8 grandchildren. I’m so thankful that the grandchildren are now being taught the same things their parents were taught – respect, commitment, MANNERS and how to behave. Again the problem is not with the children but with the parents – if they can’t follow rules and have respect for others than how will the children ever learn. I love to cruise, but am offended by rude children and especially RUDE adults. People think that when they’re on vacation all rules and how they act can go by the wayside. There is nothing worse than a loud obnoxious drunk, that thinks they can act anyway they want to. Again, I have no problem with kids on board but it’s the parents who let them have free reign in letting them do whatever they want to that gulls me. So what it comes down to is not whether it kids or adults lets all respect each others time as we have all paid for a trip that we want to enjoy. Rules are part of life and society and if you can’t follow a simple rule of not taking your child into a hot tub, then how are important rules i.e. drinking & driving going to be followed.

    233. Vic
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 10:50 am

      Kids and cruises go together like oil and water.

    234. bob g
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 11:09 am

      Any cruise line that lets kids(8 and under) in anw hot tub should be fined. all the kids that i have see on my 30+ cruise are to be told not to go in.

    235. Doug
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 11:12 am

      Obnoxious parents beget obnoxious kids. That is why we vacation when the kids are in school.

      We love kids. Have three wonderful grandsons… Spent 13 years as a youth coach… Taught Sunday school etc. Kids will generally rise to the expectations of the adults in their lives. So when one runs into rude, obnoxious, misbehaving children one can assume…

      I have found that I can generally avoid the problem (and the crowds) if I use a litle forethought in planing my vacations. However, that does not excuse others for poor behaviors!

    236. Roger Stewart
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 11:17 am

      Heres my take,,,,I have sailed on more than 100 cruises,,and will preface my comments by saying that I love children. It is not about liking or disliking children! It is about respect and consideration for everyone sharing a common space. Common sense and courtesy should prevail, however, for the most part we have become an ego-centric society, taking the “I’m all right Jack” attitude. Adult cruisers, without children suffer, subjugated by the lack of discipline from the groups of family cruisers. Kids sail free, or at reduced rates, who for the most part abuse the public facilities, scream in the cabins, misbehave in the dining rooms, doing anything and everything they want without punishment! Kids do not belong in ship spas, saunas, steam rooms or gyms, kids do not belong in ship Bars, and should be restricted to the buffet for dining, and should never permitted in the adult pools or hot tubs. If the cruise lines wish to encourage “families” to cruise they need to provide, separate dedicated areas for these children to be in that are monitored, and far from the “general population” ! If you get caught smoking on a ship you suffer a hefty fine as stated in the ships passenger contract. Who am I to say which may be considered more pervasive,smokers or kids, but for me, screaming children out of control, pooping in the pool, screeching in the dining room at the dinner hour,listening to the thunder of their feet running on the decks above is nothing less than discusting, completely destroying the enviorment anticipated on a relaxing cruise. YES hefty fines for the ignorant parents, and removal at the next port just as they would do to any unruly adult!!! Is it fair to couples who book a cruise to find out later that suddenly they have a “new” promotion for “KIDS SAIL FREE” ???!
      Where is the discount for the adults who have to put up with it all ??? I grew up sailing on CUNARD where dining rooms for “children only” was the norm! Its time to leave the “smokers” alone and focus on the chaos of unruly children!! A dedicated space for everyone is what is needed with rules to follow and penalties to pay for those that are broken. If we act like children we should be treated as such. Lets have a cruise “just for smokers” and one for “families” only.

    237. Dan
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 11:28 am

      Snobs all you guys are just snobs
      mallory is right. and i dont know any 16 year old kid having a poop in the pool or a hot tub
      get a life people. I kids are well behaved there should not be any problem.
      I i am shure that some older people pee in the pool but i dont hear anybody complaing about them and i have seen alot of older people but in line or touch the food at the buffet and dont take it. so live a little and stop complaining about the kids because the old folks do the same thing.

    238. Judy
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 11:35 am

      I am a parent of 2 and a grandparent to two girls. I am also a teacher of 32 years. I am well acquainted with misbehaving children. There is right and wrong on each side of this arguement. Speaking as a frequent cruiser with and without children, the major problem with children in the pool is that their parents are no where to be found. The pool is a babysitter and they go off. Parents should be compelled to be present with under age 12 or so in the pool. On the flip side, every cruise I have been on has had an adult only pool, which does answer the crankies who want to be alone. Personally you are alone and quiet when you are dead and I am in no hurry to get there. Try to remember, as said before, that these children are being paid for at regular fare. For your info they pay full fair, at least on Carnival, Even infants! We have argued that they don’t eat, and can’t use any of the facilities so why full fare, to no avail. I have been personally ticked off that my grandaughter was not allowed in the pool even to walk around. We had swim diapers and a rubber pants on her under her bathing suit. Trust me you were better protected than with a 5 year old who might just let it rip. The Disney cruise is great, but twice the cost. I live in Florida and have both a pool and a spa. Young children should not be in the hot tub because of the hot temp. I regulate mine also for my grandkids, but I have a sparkling pool that is 100 times cleaner than those on the cruises and both of my grandchidren swim in it. The swimmer diapers are so thick and absorbant, that they are the least of your problem. I’d be watching the 4 and 5 year olds. We were just on a Med. cruise and I saw children who could not have been old enough to be trained in the pool with no diaper. That is how accidents happen, because people are trying to get around the rules. As far as the toddler pool. On the Carribe cruise with my grandkids, the toddler pool was on the 11th floor, without an elivator and with about 25 very steep steps. My daughter-in-law and I had to take turns walking up carrying the baby and then the carriage, only to find a little pool no bigger than a blow-up and guess what, two people with no children sitting on the only two chaise lounges there.
      If young chidren cannot use the facilities then there should be a nominal cost for their ticket. Our answer was that they have a seat in the life boat. Little children can’t sit on their own and would have to be on your lap. Try to be understanding, kids deserve time also, it is parents who don’t want to monitor their children that pose a problem. Worse than any diaper!!! Answer have a special child’s hot tub with cooler temps and mark some adults only.

    239. Natalie
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 12:17 pm

      I agree that rule enforcement is a number one priority. I am a lifeguard, and let me tell you, rules don’t mean anything unless they are strictly enforced. The rule at our facility is that any child under the age of 10 must be accompanied by an adult at all times. That rule used to not be enforced very often, but recently we began to enforce this rule, and what a difference it made! I agree that children should not be allowed in hot tubs, and that it should be capped at 18, for a few reasons. First, I work at a sports club, so many adults want to use our only hot tub. They get very frustrated when kids are playing and splashing around in there. Second, it’s true that young children have a harder time regulating their body temperature, so the heat can be dangerous for them. Lastly, it’s probably true that some of the little children are leaving behind… unwanted bacteria. Oh, and just for a head’s up, when there is a capacity limit on a hot tub, there are two reasons: One, that there are simply too many people in case of emergency. Two, that since hot tubs are indeed HOT and make you sweat whether you realize it or not, you are also leaving behind unwanted bacteria. Most people do not realize that sweat and urine are both equally as dangerous bio-hazards, and they overcrowd the hot tub without thinking twice. So that being said, EVERYONE needs to follow rules just as much as the next person, child or adult.

    240. Frequent Cruiser
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 12:33 pm

      One thing my husband and I noticed over years of cruising is that the cruise lines have lowered the temperatures of the water in the hot tubs, I am guessing, because they noticed the number of kids using them and, since their parents were not, wanted to protect these kids from the harm done by the extremely hot water temperature of hot tubs. (Usually 100 to 104 F) Unfortunately, this action has just made it more attractive to kids to use them and the parents who will let them. Now they are filled with kids, using them as a kiddie pool, splashing, jumping off the seats into the center, getting tangled in peoples legs, etc. And the tweens and teens now find they can park themselves in one for HOURS without getting uncomfortable, so they do! And so do adult groups who like to party with their friends, as if they were in their private hot tub in their backyard!!! Just because you are an adult doesn’t mean your behavior is OK! There are others of us on the ship who would like to enjoy a warm, relaxing few minutes in a hot tub. 10 to 20 minutes is plenty, folks, move on!!! As for the kids/kiddie pool behavior, when there is no parent present (and there usually is not), my husband has more than once, at resorts or on ships, told kids firmly \don’t do that, this is not a swimming pool.\ Some of them looked at him like he had two heads, but they did stop. I think they were just never told \no\ before!! If the parents are present he asks them to modify their childs behavior. Sometimes that works, sometimes just results in dirty looks!! There is nothing you can do with people like that. The other thing that bothers me most about kids in a hot tub with us as the only adults is that, by their absence, their parents have made me responsible for their kids safety!!!!!!Between the danger to kids from the hot water and their own reckless jumping and running and diving, a major recipe for disaster!! WHOOOOAA, No Thank You!!! They are your kids, keep track of them, monitor their behavior, make them follow the rules, be with them!!! After all, they’re yours, not mine!

    241. Donna
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 12:33 pm

      I won’t go on another cruise if the lines do not
      enforce their own rules. My yearly, long awaited
      vacation is not going to be ruined this way. I’ll
      find some other venue.

    242. Nancy
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 1:51 pm

      Lot of great input here. I would like to see all ships have hot tubs that children are not allowed in and possibly make the children’s tubs less hot and larger to accommodate the family. With cruises being more family oriented hot or warm water pools are most inviting then the colder pools. Relaxing in the warm water with your children can be very positive. But for those of us that are finished raising our children and are traveling without kids there needs to be areas, pools and hot tubs with no kids allowed. Personally I avoid Carnival Cruises as they seem to be much more kid oriented and less adult oriented. So those of you with your extreme differences about this subject need to choose your cruise ship with your likes and dislikes.

    243. Julie
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 2:19 pm

      I realize these posts started off as replies to the idea of children in hot tubs – Appropriate or Inappropriate. It has now morphed into two distinct issues: The health of a hot tub (questionable regardless of the participants) and children on cruises (all forms of complaints).

      I have no problem with any child (even mine own) being almost anywhere on a cruise ship. I appreciate the rules about hot tubs are there more for a child’s health than for the reasons we are all discussing. (i.e. they splash, they swim instead of sitting still).

      What I think most posters are complaining about is behaviour. Parents who do not enforce rules, or enforce good behaviour of children. And cruise staff who fail to do the same.

      Our only recourse is to consistently provide this feedback to staff at the time of the incident and on our feedback to the cruiseline.

      I know that I saved the life of a drowning child who was not being attended by a parent. I was chastised by another traveler for NOT minding my child until the child’s mother came to see what the commotion was about. I’d personally recommend dropping that family off at the next port. And I learned that as a passenger, I might not have the whole story when I try to get involved (lady who yelled at me).

      I take the path of “let it go” unless I can no longer “let it go”. I don’t need to be in the hot tub, but I need to save the life of a drowning child.

    244. celebrity cruiser
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 3:35 pm

      Kids don’t belong in hot tubs.

    245. Rhonda
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 3:38 pm

      Went on great cruise,till we got in all adult hot tub and 4 little girls got in with about 8 adults,wrong in every way !!

    246. James
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 5:00 pm

      I don’t care much for pools or hot tubs at the best of times, such as knowing the people who own them. Poolside is not a place you’ll catch me anywhere. It is not a requirement for my vacation. Thus, I avoid the aggravation of having kids running around and screaming. Instead, I stand on the deck above and watch all the activity below. I enjoy seeing the people having fun, kids included. They are far enough away that I can enjoy it.

      However, I will never go to any buffet-style restaurant at meal times. That brings the very same people a little too close for my comfort. So, I choose other venues for my dining options.

      I’m a former high school teacher, now retired, and I look forward to my cruise vacations, which I take several times a year. I book my cruises during times when I’m fairly certain there are fewer kids on board. I never take a cruise in summer or during winter or spring breaks. I’m lucky enough to have the opportunity to cruise when I want to. And I do just that!

    247. jeff
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 5:08 pm

      I think were losing the point of this review. Children shouldnt be in the hot tubs. Not only the health issues and the unsanitary conditions of diapers ( adult protective underwear too!) The Arguments about ‘ my kid paid just as much as you to be here’ really! Did he put it on his/her mastercard…Why should anyone trying to enjoy the tub be around kids having splashing contests or jumping in and out..YOU the parent should be watching the kids…making sure you set an example. I have not forgotten what its like to be a kid or a parent. Kids need to play and burn off steam. Parents need to supervise and mind the rules…Adults only!

    248. rossi
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 5:37 pm

      wow you guys are Nazis, these are children you are talking about. If you don’t want to be around children you should probably vacation at retirement home.

    249. shadowmatrix
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 6:54 pm

      @Dan – Let me put it this way, since you seem to think any adult worried about safety and/or health concerns are \snobs\….do you think it’s ok for a child to be anywhere alone with an adult stranger, much less a hot tub? Not saying adults in hot tubs are child molesters because I like hot tubs, but seriously? Let’s forget the bacteria floating around the tub or the 100+ degree heat that may do damage or their horseplay getting them drowned/injured/hurting someone else in the tub. How about caring enough to let professionals take care of your kids, not strangers in a hot tub?

    250. monica
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 8:07 pm

      Ok people! Check with the cruise lines before you go. Make sure there is a child section and an adult pool. If you see kids of any age in the adult pool let the cruise director know ridght away. If they refuse to get the children out of the adult area then tell them you want your money back. bars dont let children in them so , this go’s for cruise lines. I have never had a problem on Royal coribean line. also go on off peak times when kids are in school. dont let those brats get to you!

    251. Jeannie
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 8:12 pm

      Just gotten back from a cruise 2 months ago. I took my 14 yr old daughter and 16 yr old son. The vast majority of the adults were drunk and out looking to hook up with anyone while their off spring was left on their own to run till all hours of the day and night. I think it is important to have set limits. At what point did it become ok to have 6 yr olds running the corridors at 2am? No parents in sight…This was a nightly occurrence. I spoke with the staff and they seemed reluctant to say anything but did state that the cruise we were on was more of the “wal-mart” variety. He stated that if we wanted a better, more controlled environment we would have to go on a cruise that some others couldn’t afford. So, if one wants to have a more relaxed time with parents who take care of their children we needed to step up to a higher tax bracket so to speak. Sad but apparently true. Every person I have seen talk about how the “child haters” need to get off of it are in the lower middle class or poverty level tax bracket. Please don’t think I believe this goes for all members of that tax bracket but the numbers don’t lie.

    252. David
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 8:48 pm

      We recently returned fron a week long cruise on CCL with our two kids and definitely agree the problem lies with the parents who let their kids run wild on the ship without any supervision or rules.

    253. peggiep
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 8:53 pm

      Hot tubs and bars are not for kids. I’ve cruised primarily on Princess and have never had a problem with kids. If you want to bring your kids on a cruise, go Disney. Parents need to be responsible for their children or bring a nanny or responsible adult to watch them. Princess does have child activities and the children were all well-behaved on a 16 day Panama Canal Cruise.

    254. Jonathon
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 8:54 pm

      I would personally prefer not to see any children on board at all, let alone in the hot tubs. I am 34 and glad Glad GLAD I don’t have children!

    255. Lonna
      September 22nd, 2011 @ 9:13 pm

      I want to first say, my kids will NOT be in the hot tubs. However, I also want to add, if children are not allowed in certain areas of the ships..ie hot tubs, then ALL cruise lines need to either offer a reduced child’s rate OR make the on board child centers FREE to make up for the restrictions on children. It’s no wonder parents go with the mind that their kids can do whatever they want because they pay the same fare regardless of age.

    256. Carole D
      September 23rd, 2011 @ 12:35 am

      On a NCL cruise out of NYC two families with unsupervised children who actually knocked people down were confined to their cabins until we reached P.R., an American port, where they were put off the ship. As we sailed out of port, there was a round of cheers as we watched the families, with all their luggage watching the ship sail away.

    257. Jenn S
      September 23rd, 2011 @ 1:04 am

      I have two older boys, and have been cruising with the two of them and my husband since they were very young. They have always been expected to behave themselves. They are never allowed to run around the ship and cause others annoyance. AND they did not go in the hot tubs until they were teens, and then only with my husband, and in the ones allowing kids. I have always felt that it is our job as responsible parents to teach our children to obey the rules, respect other people’s right to enjoy their vacation, and realize they can still have fun. I don’t give a rip what the other kids/parents do, if they act up, they know there are consequences. Besides, I have walked by the hot tubs at night and seen adults having sex in them more times than I can count. Nasty. I will stick to my CLEAN hot tub back at home in Alaska, thank you :-)

    258. Sue
      September 23rd, 2011 @ 1:18 am

      I agree with Mallory – Get over it! I am a bit on the older side, but when nice children are around, they keep us all young. Children are people too. If you can’t handle it, stay home!

    259. val smith
      September 23rd, 2011 @ 9:58 am

      Soon we are going to need a cruise for smokers, non-smokers, children, no children, alcohol, alcohol-free..etc. Why can’t people just have some consideration for others, follow rules and take responsibility! It’s really not that hard.

    260. Al Wright
      September 23rd, 2011 @ 10:14 am

      I agree that the use of a hot tub in a public place is a health risk. Why anyone would allow a young child near these places is beyond me. I have not had the pleasure of becoming a parent, and as such I don’t apprectiate that kids are allowed to run wild anywhere they want these days. I am an adult and I like an adult evironment. As kids become the norm on more and more cruise lines I will be cruising much less.

    261. larry
      September 23rd, 2011 @ 10:24 am

      I wouldn’t even consider using a hot tub on any criuse line….My wife and I have been on over 25 cruises ,and most of the comments are correct ,in the last few years more out of control kids,we have learned to book 10-15 day cruises that don’t align with school holidays just for this reason .
      I’m 55 year old biker whos knows how to party and have a good time,but not with rude teenagers that can’t hold their alcohol that they shouldn’t have had in the first place .

    262. Jenny
      September 23rd, 2011 @ 10:49 am

      I don’t mind kids on cruises as long as the rules are followed and they behave. If the rules state no kids in the hot tub then I expect not to see kids in the hot tub and I expect the cruise lines to enforce the rules they put in place. Why have rules if you are not going to enforce them? Diapered children in pools and hot tubs is unsanitary. The thought of water running through a soiled diaper and back into the pool is disgusting.

      I am glad they do have an adults area(Serenity) where I can relax in the hot tub away from kids and its nice to see the kids playing in the water on Lido deck. However there were times we wanted to use the hot tubs on Lido but it was over run with kids so we couldn’t.

    263. Dan
      September 23rd, 2011 @ 11:21 am

      wow shadowmatrix if there is so much bacteria
      in the hot tub then nobody should go in it

    264. Rob
      September 23rd, 2011 @ 12:19 pm

      I think I am with the majority here and I cringe when I see kids of potty training age and younger in the hot tub or pool. That definitely should be addressed by all of the cruise lines.

      But it is not just the children of inconsiderate parents that can present a problem.

      Earlier this year we were in the hottub on an RCCL ship. There were only adults in the tub and it was around 5:00 pm. At one point I looked behind my wife and lying there in the overflow strainer was a purple condom! No telling how long it had been floating around in the tub.

    265. Allison
      September 23rd, 2011 @ 2:13 pm

      Well, bad parents are just parents everywhere. I can assure you, on an upcoming family cruise, my nephew will be “one of those kids” that runs wild while his parents ignore it. I’m totally expecting it. I’m apologizing for it in advanced but there is not a dang thing I can do about it. On the other hand, I am sure I will get a ration of $@#! from the rest of the family for keeping MY daughter on a short leash (figuratively, not literally) because there are certain modes of behavior that I just don’t tolerate in public.

    266. T. Hav
      September 23rd, 2011 @ 2:44 pm

      I’m childless, and have never had a problem with kids on cruisses, just as I don’t have a problem with other adults on cruises. My problem is with inconsiderate, rule-breaking behavior… no matter the age of the offender (or in the case of kids, more often the offender’s parent, who isn’t doing their job of teaching their kid to follow the rules). You mak think you or your kid is the exception… but chanes are you’re not. In considering yourself an exception, you may only be considering one reason for a rule, and missing other reasons. Just remember that while yes, you paid for your vacation and deserve to enjoy it — everyone else around you paid for their vacation, and deserves to enjoy it too.

    267. Kate
      September 23rd, 2011 @ 5:24 pm

      Just back from my cruise to Mexico on the Carnival Splendor- kids were few and far between on a September sailing. I skipped the hot tubs which attracted a lot of amorous couples and opted for the thallasotherapy pool which is heated and you pay extra for thus assuring a nice clean time!

    268. Sylvia
      September 23rd, 2011 @ 7:22 pm

      Someone said get used of it, there will be more kids on vacation ……. well I say then the cruise lines will have to have ships for families with kids only and those wishing to travel with no kids plus have cabins for solo travellers (thought I’d plug this in) only on other ships.
      I personally do not like having kids around. Seems like parents don’t want be responsible of kids behavior. I was on a cruise that I had to idea so many kids were on and lot of them were spoiled brats.

    269. William
      September 23rd, 2011 @ 8:19 pm

      We want totally ADULT ONLY areas, not only in the hot tubs and pools, but in the dining room, theater, and even on certain decks. Adult means over 21, unless they are serving in the armed services. If you don’t want to be parent for a day, then put the little darlings in the supervised camp. But what is even worse …. never…..ever … book a cruise during Spring Break!!!!.

    270. JD
      September 23rd, 2011 @ 8:22 pm

      On my last RCL cruise, I saw passengers of all ages demonstrate dangerous and unsanitary behaviors around the pool areas. And it was the first time I have seen the pool attendant actually do something about it. A teenager was throwing rocks at other children in the pool. The attendant handled the situation quickly. As for the hot tub, I wouldnt get caught dead in one, kids or no kids. Every day I saw adults eating and drinking while soaking.

    271. Ellen
      September 23rd, 2011 @ 8:57 pm

      I have a well behaved 10 year old son. I am upset by the ever tightening rules which meant that on our last cruise- Celebrity, which I otherwise love- he was not allowed to swim. There was only one small, shallow pool designated for children under 16. It was filled with toddlers and too shallow for swimming. Older children and teens literally had no place to swim. With two pools designated for adults this was a bit much. I might be able to understand some no children hours in the second pool but I think one adult only pool is sufficient.

    272. Truth
      September 23rd, 2011 @ 9:37 pm

      If you can’t beat them, leave them solution ($$$): Went on a luxury European cruise, there was one child on board, maybe 13, never saw her in pool or hot tub, very well mannered as well. Frankly, few parents could afford to bring their kids on this cruise. Hot tub was usually empty – I was in it by myself once, and another time there may have been another adult in with me part of the time. Had none of the issues mentioned above. So for those that can afford it, or afford to splurge, you can rid yourself of Mallory and her children and her and their poor attitude and uncivilized behavior. If you can’t afford, then like others said, consider cruising when and where children are unlikely to be around.

    273. joe
      September 23rd, 2011 @ 11:20 pm

      One way to get the cruise lines attention and the ships staff. deduct or pay no gratuities. Gratuities are for service if the rules are not enforced then the service is not provided. Yes it punishes the crew as a whole, but imagine the peer pressure if a large number of passengers showed there displeasure by this method. Make sure that you inform the guest relations desk when you do this. I did this on a cruise a few years ago, and I am still getting apology letters from the cruise line.

    274. Bankshot
      September 24th, 2011 @ 10:48 am

      Here’s the deal kids…You stay out of the hot tub and you won’t find my 72 year old butt floating around in the kiddie pool.

    275. Char
      September 24th, 2011 @ 11:19 am

      We have been on a number of cruises on various lines, the ONLY one that strictly enforced the “adult” area hot tub and spa area was CELEBRITY SUMMIT and hats off to them!! We would love to sit in hot tub and spa areas, but just designating it “adult” doesn’t not work. It has to be enforced!! Now days every parent thinks “their child” is “SPECIAL”…get over it they are not!! I teach em…I know. There are plenty of activities for children and the regular pools and hot tubs to go to. We as adults have a right to have a space set aside for us, with out run-a muck children bothering us. How would you like adults lurking around in the childrens’ play area?? If anything goes, be careful what you wich for.

      We paid for our tickets just like you did, and have rights just like you, one of which is an adult area that is an adult area with no children if it so designated. Maybe we’ll join your family for dinner at your table, or play with your kids in their space…how’d ya like that parent of your “special ones?”
      I love Joe’s idea…never thought about it but will follow suit on our next cruise…no tips if they don’t enforce it.

    276. Lil lamb5
      September 24th, 2011 @ 1:32 pm

      On my way home from a cruise, I have to say this was ahuge problem all week. One time I watched a security guard tell a probably 3 year old child that she couldn’t play with a veach ball but nothing about getting out of the hot tub. Crazyness

    277. rutgersgirl
      September 24th, 2011 @ 3:00 pm

      Kids in a hot tub is safety issue. That should be the end of story. It’s not about denying a small child a moment of fun. It’s not about acknowledging that maybe adults without kids want a moment of relaxation. It’s about keeping your small child from doing something harmful. Isn’t that what parents are supposed to do?

      A parent’s laissez-faire attitude (to put it mildly) is a separate subject, but yeah, I can’t stand parents who refuse to parent. Sometimes life isn’t about having fun all the time. Sometimes kids, and grownups have to follow rules for the comfort, and safety of others. If you can’t agree to that, then stay home.

    278. Suzette
      September 24th, 2011 @ 4:44 pm

      Mallory, get a grip… Actually my children were perfect. I chose not to have any. Unfortunately many people who should not have children because they don’t want to be parents don’t make that choice. I don’t go into the children’s pool, I stay out of their “club” and accept that they will behave as children in casual eating areas. Keep them out of adult only areas! It’s quite simple.

    279. thunder
      September 24th, 2011 @ 6:45 pm

      @ “Rina”

      you admit to breaking rhe rules, thinking they dont mean anything, apparently only to you, and you get pissed when other people get upset at you for breaking them…classic. you are part of what’s wrong with the kids of today, “it’s ok hun, the rules dont mean anything, go ahead and do what you want”, but, i bet if someone was to fire up a cigarette in a non smoking area, you would be the first to come unglued.

      perhaps it should be you and your non rule following family that should stay home.

    280. Shine Bright
      September 24th, 2011 @ 7:34 pm

      JUST GO TO THE KIDDIE POOL…….WHAT’S THE PROBLEM?????????

    281. Sandra Sheldon
      September 25th, 2011 @ 9:56 am

      A hot tub is NOT a kiddie pool. Why is that so hard for some parents to understand? And it IS a definite health hazard for infants!

      We no longer use hot tubs on cruises, due to the many ‘orphans’ (children who are apparently without parents) we encountered. We get a cruise long ‘day pass’ to the spa.

    282. karen
      September 25th, 2011 @ 11:41 am

      ah..our children really are a reflection of ourselfs

    283. COOLPLEX
      September 25th, 2011 @ 3:43 pm

      CREATE A LIST OF BYLAWS WITH VIOLATIONS OF REGULATIONS ABOARD ALL SHIPS.

      THESE VIOLATIONS WILL HAVE PENALTIES IN DOLLAR AMOUNTS.
      THESE VIOLATIONS WOULD BE LOGDED ON A RECORD FOR ALL CRUISE LINES TO UPDATE PASSENGER IDENTIFICATION CARD ISSUED PRIOR TO BOARDING.

      SECURITY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE LIABILITIES AND REPEAT OFFENDERS USING PAST HISTORY.

      ALL PAST VIOLATIONS INCLUDING AND NOT LIMITED TO ASULT/BATTARY/DRUGS INCLUDING SMOKING & UNDER AGE DRINKING WOULD HELP SECURITY DETERMINE THE RISK FACTOR AND SAFTY OF OTHER PASSENGERS.

      I KNOW THE FBI ACRUALLY KEEPS CRIMINAL RECORDS OF PEOPLE ARRESTED, BUT THE CRUISE LINES DON’T KNOW OF PAST OFFENDERS, UNLESS A BACKGROUND CHECK IS MADE.

      THE CRUISE LINES WOULD IMPLIMENT A SYSTEM TO REPORT PASSENGER INFORMATION ON EACH CRUISE CARD, SO CRUISE LINE EMPLOYEES CAN IDENTIFY THESE PEOPLE AS THEY USE IDENTIFICATION CARD.

      A LIST OF REGULATIONS \BYLAWS\ WOULD BE ESTABLISHED IN WRITING AND ISSUED TO EVERY PERSON BOARDING THE SHIP OVER THE AGE OF 18.

      REGULATIONS \BYLAWS\ CAN BE PART OF SAILING CONTRACT AND EACH REGULATION CONTAIN A PENALTY ON FIRST, SECOND & THIRD VIOLATION, INCREASING THE PENALTY.
      THE HISTORY OF PAST VIOLATIONS WOULD APPLY TO EACH AND EVERY CRUISE.

      THESE VIOLATIONS WOULD BE LISTED IN DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND OR IN THE CASE OF EXTREME MEASURES,REMOVAL FROM THE SHIP.

      PEOPLE CITED BY SECURITY WOULD SIGN FOR SAID VIOLATION, FAILURE TO SIGN AND PAY FINE WILL RESULT ON BEING REMOVED FROM SHIP.

    284. frequent sailer
      September 25th, 2011 @ 5:00 pm

      There are rules in life for everything and all people of all ages are required to follow them. The cruise ships do not allow kids in the casino under the age of 18 or to drink alcohol if they are under 21. It doesn’t matter if your child is well behaved or acts mature the rules are the rules- if you don’t follow them on the ship does that also mean parents that you allow your kids to break the rules when you are at home too. I cruised many times with my two boys, and never took them into the hot tubs or adult pools regardless of how \perfect\ I thought they were. Even at dinner any fuss started up with the kids and we left the dining room. I would never expect people to put up with my childrens’ bad behaviour and I find it amazing that people side with Mallory

    285. SHARON
      September 25th, 2011 @ 5:53 pm

      Family cruises are great, BUT, It is the parent that should be held accountable.. On a recent cruise, I was waiting for the late show to start relaxing on the upper deck. The hot tub was full of children not teens but all under 10. A mother then appeared dressed to the nines and announced to her child she was going to the show and then the casino. She turned and left. The child climbed back in the hot tub. As a mother of 6, I was appalled. A cruise is not a free babysitting service, accidents happen. If you take your child on a cruise respect the other passengers and follow the rules… I bet that anyone of you that have jumped to the defense of children in hot tubs, running wild, wearing diapers in pools, would be the first to blame the cruise line for any unfortunate incident.

    286. Paula
      September 25th, 2011 @ 6:18 pm

      Well, next time I’m in an adult area and the kiddo’s start crowding in, I’ll be sure to start talking about things that are considered adult material. No, perverts, not that adult material, but things such as creatures under the bed at night, ghosts on cruise ships, how strange things sometimes happen to people at sea and how they come up missing at times. I’d like to throw in a few f-bombs, but I may offend other adults so I’ll draw the line there.

      My point is, kids do not belong in adult areas. Period. I took my son (12) on a Disney cruise when he was 7. I literally had to beg him to leave the kid area because he was having such a good time. In the meantime, I retreated to the ADULT ONLY area and had a relaxing time and not ONE kid showed up in the adult area.

      Do I take my son on vacation now? Yes. Do I allow him to run around like a wild animal at all hours of the day and night while I’m tanking it up in the casino or bar? No. If I want to gamble and drink til dawn, I do it on an ADULT ONLY vacation.

      The solution is simple….EVERYONE follow the posted rules, be polite to one another and things will go smoothly. Leave either of those out and it turns to crap quickly.

    287. Toni
      September 25th, 2011 @ 6:47 pm

      I HATE to say it, but the thing that might get attention is to use the tip envelopes provided, write on them that you are not tipping due to the fact that you either had to police these things yourself or that you had to suffer because they were not policed by cruise ship staff, and that you are not tipping because of it. This might get someone’s attention. At the very least, stewards and waiters would encourage their fellow crewmembers to DO THEIR JOBS.

    288. Linda
      September 25th, 2011 @ 10:00 pm

      I have read so many comments about ill behaved children and inconsiderate parents who let their children do as they please. We ALL know that the cruise lines are not going to enforce the rules nor are the ignorant parents. So unfortunately nothing will ever be done about it. I believe that cruise lines should place their hot tubs in areas like the santuary that Princess has on their ships such as the Ruby Princess. The santuary is adults only and is closely monitored therefore there should be no problems in enforcing the rules. I have never been in one of the hot tubs on any of the cruises and never in the pools just because you don’t know what anyone has been doing in them and what bacteria is lurking. If I want to go in the water, I will wait when we go into port.

    289. tina
      September 26th, 2011 @ 10:01 am

      Unfortunately, I will be cruising with family members this coming trip who feel their child can do whatever she wants and will be allowed to run free @ 11 years old where I make my child follow the rules. NO, I will NOT let my child in the hot tub or raise cane. She is 13 and brought up with respect, courtesy and discipline. Too bad parents are too busy to teach their children basic values. My child has been on cruises and we have never had a problem and she’s had a wonderful time and made great friends!

    290. Valerie
      September 26th, 2011 @ 10:06 am

      Surprisingly, the ONLY cruise line that I have sailed on that enforces ADULTS ONLY areas has been DISNEY. The other cruiselines that I have sailed on are Carnival, Costa, Royal Carib, Celebrity and Princess. Even going to security and showing them the sign that says no children or no one under 16, they just shrug their shoulders and walk away. Not Disney – they told a mom with a toddler that she was in an adult only area and had to remove her son and also went to another mom whose baby was sleeping in a stroller & told her to move along as well. YEAH for Disney and Boo to the others that won’t enforce their rules.

    291. Dina
      September 26th, 2011 @ 10:22 am

      The fact that young children shouldn’t be in hots tubs for the health risk is just one issue. Personally, if a parent makes a bad decision regarding the health of their children, it isn’t my issue. The issue I have is that a hot tub is NOT a place for kids to play. It is a place to go, SIT, and RELAX. We saw no relaxing going on in the hot tubs on the Gem last month – just lots of kids (from toddlers to teens) going completely wild.

    292. Barbara
      September 26th, 2011 @ 10:34 am

      My husband and I experienced a situation on HAL cruise ship last year when 11 and 12 year olds jumped in the world pool while other people were in relaxing and it took several of us to call this to the attention of HAL employees. I think with this no charge for 3rd and 4th passengers it seems there are more and more small children on cruise ships. I love my grandkids but when we take a cruise we want peace and quiet and fun around mostly adults but even with HAL who has less children we are seeing more of them on HALs ships. Nice for people wanting to take their kids but what about those of us that pay good money to relax in the pool and worldpool and not see kids jumping into the water and world pool and running up and down the steps in hallways late at night. This needs to be stopped.

    293. Dan Francuz
      September 26th, 2011 @ 10:34 am

      I hate it when kids pee in the water. Parents definitely ought to be mindful of other guests and rules. However where there are no restrictions, if Mom pays, the kids play (she better keep them safe). I wish a cruise line in the U.S. would figure out how to successfully market adults only cruises. If there are successful adults-only all inclusive resorts, there has to be a market for it. Thanks to P&O across the pond for doing so.

    294. Sue
      September 26th, 2011 @ 10:48 am

      If parents are not going to obey the rules/guidelines when cruising with children (which seems to be the case lately in more areas than I can count), maybe it is time (and about time I might add) that cruise lines enforce their own rules/policies onboard. In this day and age, many look at these rules as they are set for others only, and they know they are not enforced so pay no attention to them.

    295. J L
      September 26th, 2011 @ 11:39 am

      This is a never ending subject .. Cruise lines are like anyone else out there .. they are there to please there customers . Yes I agree there is a reason for adult only area’s ! if you truly are upset by a kid being in the adult only area , all you have to do is get a crew member to get security ! have seen it happen on previous cruise . however realize they make cruises designed for adults .. just like disney is for kids , go on a Princess Cruise or Crystal Cruise Line which are adult cruises !
      I find it funny when people complain about not being able to find a chair , what they should be saying is they can’t find the one right by the pool or bar .. have never had a problem finding a chair !

      Have read a few of the posting here , not all but a fair amount of them .. and the one thing that seems to be agreed upon is simple .. a cruise is going to be what you make of it . so if you don’t like kids in your hot tub ! do something about it !
      Just remember this before you start pointing fingers ! as you are pointing one , there is three pointed back at you !

    296. Joe
      September 26th, 2011 @ 11:46 am

      Wow the amount of hate on this baord borders on the satanic!!!!!!!!!

      Kids in a hot tub, well if the rule says 16 then security needs to step up to the plate and enforce. As far as a family with a lot of kids on a cruise, if that steams you then you need to cruise lines & times when there are fewer kids.

      Get over your anger folks, it’s only gonna shorten your life in the end!!!!!!!!!!

    297. Joe
      September 26th, 2011 @ 11:50 am

      And if you “adults” do not think for a New York Minute that “adults” don’t pee in a pool you are sadly mistaken. I’ll bet more adults INTENTIONALLY pee in a pool than kids!!!!!!!

      As a matter of fact I’ll GUARNATEE that statement!!!!!!!!!!!

    298. Brian
      September 26th, 2011 @ 12:31 pm

      I can’t remember what the sign said, but the rule on our RCL cruise seemed to be that kids were allowed in the pool as long as there weren’t any adults who wanted to use it. It seemed like all of the staff were charged with pointing out the rules. Usually it was the bar staff after the kids about safety rules, but only becuase they were ht eones who were around. As for hot tubs, if there is a medical reason to keep kids out, they should say that, since most ill-informed parents would think it was for behaviour reasons.
      As for penalizing for accidents in the pool, you can’t make it too high, otherwise upon discovering said accident, parents would be more likely to sneak off rather than informing, thus allowing the heath risk to continue.

    299. BArry
      September 26th, 2011 @ 1:49 pm

      In response to MALORY. Those of you with children UNDER 16 need to sail with Disney since they cater to children. Those parents who complain the most about regulations regarding their children are the ones who have NO REGARD for people around them and let their kids run wild and act like a ferral cat being cornered. Move onto a cruise line that caters to children.

    300. Barb
      September 26th, 2011 @ 2:44 pm

      FOR MALLORY,

      If you didn’t rear your children in the same fashion as your animals then you’d understand. But maybe you are an animal also! Your attitude is that of one! Your kids probably stand on table tops also and run around eating but that’s not for people, only animals. If you have animal instincts everyone would be happy that your children were there.

    301. Nicole
      September 26th, 2011 @ 6:31 pm

      On our last cruise we took our 4 children with us. They were 8,9,10, and 11 years old. We never allowed them in the hot tubs and the only pool area they even played in was where the water slides are. One reason was because I have no desire for my 11 year old daughter to be in a hot tub with older men and also because I didn’t want them around so many people drinking alcohol so heavily. It was sad to see how parents just let their children run free on a ship full of strangers and allowed their children to smart mouth, back talk, and have awful tantrums. Thank God my children know manners and respect for others!

    302. Dennis Cox
      September 26th, 2011 @ 8:55 pm

      My wife and I have enjoyed over a dozen cruises. Neither of us object to children onboard – provided they have been taught manners by their parents. There are, and should be “adults-only” areas devoid of “rug-rats” and “curtain-crawlers”. I am 66 years old and I don’t mind competing with kids for a spot on the water slide but I don’t expect or tolerate kids in an area designated “adults-only”. I don’t invade Camp Carnival – why should kids be allowed to invade our space? Make hot tubs “off-limits” to kids and their parents – if the parents want to indulge, let one of the cruise staff babysit (which of course could and should be for compensation).

    303. catherine
      September 26th, 2011 @ 9:11 pm

      After sailing on princess which had a very nice adults pool and knowing the difference, I don’t think I ever want to sail on a ship that doesn’t have them. Last trip on Royal Caribbean the parents left their kids completely and a child had to go, but noone was there to help them because “they’re on vacation” so, the kid went #1 in the tub I was in. Needless to say I left after that. Not blaming the kids blaming the parents of course, and of course staff should be mindful. Yes you want people to have a good time but sanitation should be a primary concern for pool staff, not just making sure everyone’s nice and boozed up.

    304. Rick Belmont
      September 27th, 2011 @ 8:55 am

      Kids should have their own separate pool & hot tub area. An alternative is the adults only area on some ships. Hot tubs on Princess are not fully operational anyway because they have shut the air vent/bubble systems fleet wide. On our “LAST” Princess cruise, they only circulated warm water in the tepid tubs on Grand Princess. There also was a closing due, I heard, to an “accident.” They kept the doors open in the covered adult pool area as we went North of the Artic Circle – FREEZING! That was our first cruise where we did not take even one dip in a poll or hot tub.

    305. Toni
      September 27th, 2011 @ 9:44 am

      @Judy, Comment #239….”Swim diapers” are NOT allowed in cruise ship pools, as per the Centers for Disease Control LAWS and the cruise ship’s policies reflect this specifically. You definitely need to be educated about “swim diapers.” And apparently you are not alone! They are FILTHY!

    306. Gwee
      September 27th, 2011 @ 1:20 pm

      Children are NOT mini-adults – and should not expect the same rights as adults. I have seen first-hand, a baby, limp and passed out in it’s parents’ arms due to exposure in a hot tub. Nothing is more frightening, needless, or as sickening. I have also seen older folks who got a little woozy after time in a hot tub – the difference being they are ADULTS. Hot tubs are HOT, and they heat up the blood and can “poach” vital internal organs, which happens especially fast in tiny bodies. If you are lucky, someone notices before irreparable damage is done. Every cruise I’ve taken I have experienced unattended children climbing into a hot tub with me! Some were well behaved, and the worst was with a drunken parent – who yelled at the five-year-old for not watching his 2 1/2 year old brother in the kiddie pool!!! For you childish, immature parents who feel your kids are “exceptions” to the rules – NEWS FLASH!!! they need to learn to abide by the rules, and apparently, so do you! I have personally told children to get out of the hot tubs, as they are for adults. I have gotten arguments from exactly ZERO kids – but have been told by parents that I should mind my own business – guess what? it IS my business! Our solution: We upgraded to a grown-up cruise line! We gave up on cruise lines who will not uphold their own sanitation and health rules. (If they are skirting around THIS issue, how many other sanitation and health rules are they ignoring at the risk of their passengers?) Yes, children are on this line, the difference is they are cared for by parents who abide by the rules. Refreshing!

    307. Gayla
      September 28th, 2011 @ 9:17 am

      For people like Mallory, when are children’s lives going to become important in this country? For you to take a child/baby into a hot tub because that is what YOU want to do, you and every parent who takes them into these places where they can’t control their body temperature, are putting their little lives in danger, you should have CPS waiting on you when debark the ship. There are plenty of people who can’t have kids, I’m not one of them, who would be more than happy to love and take proper care of them. People like you are raising out of control kids that my well behaved and disciplined children are going to have to live and work around twhen they grow up. Shame on you! You need to get a clue!

    308. jimmm
      September 28th, 2011 @ 1:42 pm

      The post-Labor Day hot-tub experience described in a previous comment by LRGRL (September 21st, @ 3:26 pm) is the opposite of ours during our pre-Labor Day (8-26) cruise on the Norwegian Dawn, which of course featured loads of kids.

      No surprise, I suppose, but perhaps NCL could do something “proactive” about this; i.e., without passengers prompting them. After all, passengers have paid to enjoy themselves, not to complain or to police any part of the ship!

    309. Frequent Cruiser
      September 28th, 2011 @ 6:51 pm

      While I would like to see cruise ship staff enforce the rules, I disagree that withholding tips is the way to do it. These people work themselves like crazy, 12 to 16 hours a day, 6 or more days a week, many have left their spouses and children for 3 to 6 months at a time, year after year, so as to provide a decent living for them. NONE of these people should be penalized because, lets face it, the cruise lines do not want to enforce rules that may ruffle the feathers of a future customer. Apparently they are not concerned about the silent majority of us who are quietly moving on to other vacation venues because we are upset with the way things are going with the cruise lines. The only way to change things is to do something that visibly impacts the cruise lines themselves. So, let’s do that! Send out emails about your bad experience, put it on Facebook, Twitter about it!!! Even write directly to the cruise lines and, when on the ship, go directly to guest relations desk and tell them about the bad experience you just had AND that it will have an impact on whether you choose to cruise with them again! Like everyone else, when it becomes obvious that their slack attitude about enforing the rules is going to cost them money, something may get done!!

    310. Bob
      September 28th, 2011 @ 7:07 pm

      Just recently two 12 or 13 year old boys continued loud screaming and splashing despite my and other hot tubbers repeatedly asking them to stop. I moved over to the boys and with a big smile on my face, very quietly told them that if they didn’t cool it, I would break their arms. No more problems.

    311. Sue
      September 30th, 2011 @ 12:53 pm

      I would love to see some adults only cruises. To this discussion, I’ll take adults only pools and hot tubs. I like the idea of the parents having to pay if a hot tub or pool has to be cleaned because they irresponsibly allowed their children in where they didn’t belong. Personally I don’t think kids belong on cruises other than Disney. When our son was young, he was left with grandma or another relative while we were away. It never crossed my mind to bring a child on a cruise. Of course I don’t think parents should allow their children to run around restaurants or other public places unattended.

    312. bg mcqueen
      September 30th, 2011 @ 3:22 pm

      last cruise (last month) saw many children (and diapered babies)in the hot tubs, and plenty of so-called adults drinking in the hot tubs and staying and drinking for hours…the health and safety hazards are too much, i don’t get into the people-soup…my child (age 9) is NOT allowed in them, either!!

    313. Francis
      October 1st, 2011 @ 4:50 pm

      I am past the point of caring…

      Today’s parents are the prodigy of vermin and their hatch-lings will only be worse.

      If I hear one more person refer the “womb sponsor” as a ‘mother’ or the “sperm donor” as a ‘father’ I’m going to hurl.

      Keep your miscreant children away from me and if it says adults…I will do my best to clear the decks of any pant crapping little varmints.

      There are few things I enjoy more than making any kid and it’s sponsors feel awkward and miserable.

      Last week a kid was riding a razor scooter around the pool. I didn’t say a word…until the little brat hit a crack and totally wiped out. While everyone else was rushing to help the wailing little embryo–I just shook my head.

      My iPad is loaded with filthy songs as well as some great soundbites and visuals from some of the most disgusting vile forms of pornography you’ll ever find. I just fire it up!

    314. Mike
      October 3rd, 2011 @ 1:50 am

      This is intense. Someone is past the point of caring and the people in this post are riled up about kids in the hot tub. I know two types of people who go on cruises. First type: can enjoy the time no matter who else shows up or doesn’t or gets in the way of the gangplank or messes up the food or takes the last seat at the theater. Second type: couldn’t find fun in anything. I just got off a cruise and had a great time. I’m the first type of person. I sat next to the second type in the main dining room each night but one. By the third night nothing on the menu appealed to her and she sent everything back. I’m happy I’m me. I enjoyed three long swims in three different hot tubs…no kids. With a couple thousand people on the ship I find it amazing that my friends and I had time to ourselves in those hot tubs, but we did. If kids came in, I’m sure I could have handled a problem situation well without wishing anyone was thrown overboard. Nevertheless, when I go on a cruise ship I go to find the fun and relaxation that I don’t permit myself to have during my regular life. Why should I let kids om s hot tub or any other issue become the bane of existence just because my perfect plan was changed.

    315. Naanie
      October 19th, 2011 @ 10:12 pm

      I find a big problem is unsupervised kids. I was enjoying a nice quiet evening in an adult only hot tub and witnessed several kids in the adult only hot tub next to me jumping from a railing into the swimming pool below. Nothing was done to stop them – but heaven help us if one of these kids would have slipped and seriously hurt themselves. Does lawsuit against the cruise line come to anyone’s mind? Rules are in place for a reason – follow them. That’s not to much to ask and everyone can have a good time.

    316. K Brown
      November 30th, 2011 @ 11:47 am

      It’s not just kids that keep me out of the hot tubs. On one cruise a very obese person I know couldn’t fit into the small shower. So she was using the hot tubs daily in lue of bathing. Big YUCK!

    317. Alexander Gan
      December 10th, 2011 @ 6:00 am

      Now, I understand the concern of many frequent passengers around here, but let me input my thoughts regarding the matter as a thirteen-year-old child.

      It is indeed a pain to see unsupervised kids making a nuisance in public areas. Even I as a child am sick of that. Honestly speaking, cruise lines should be more strict on such rules. The risk of losing customers is on the line when some rotten brats barge in and cause chaos.

      But this does not apply to all kids and teens. Some older and more mature ones have exercised good behaviour while on such cruises. In fact, when I took the Oasis last year, I had not encountered kids in hot tubs or any rude kid for that matter!

      Hopefully frequent cruisers here would hear me out and understand that some of us, too, comprehend your predicaments. And to Francis, I feel that you’re being extremely rude there. Disorderly behaviour may put you in hot water, and not the aforementioned hot water.

    318. Alex
      January 8th, 2012 @ 12:49 am

      Teenagers are in the crossfire. I understand taking out younger children from hot tubs, and having designated adult only ones too, but if most of you want 18+ or 21+, where do the mannered teenagers go. They don’t want to deal with the screaming children either. They just just want to chill as well, but they haven’t come of age yet. Why make them suffer for something out of their control?

      I say cruises should have hot tubs designated for younger children oh say 5-12, hot tubs for children 13-17, and hot tubs 18+. I do empathize with people who don’t want a toddler clad in a diaper, or sans anything for the matter, and with people trying to get away from youngsters too.

    319. Oxana
      February 22nd, 2013 @ 7:11 pm

      Patents pay for their Kids as much as adults for the cruise! Exactly the same price – no matter what their age is. They should be able to use all the facilities specially pools ( if they are potty trained) on the ship just like other people – it’s their right because they are just like others – customers of the ship. adults who don’t like kids for any reason should go on an an adult only cruise – and if there’s is none no child should suffer from that. Maybe I don’t like to see old people around me I don’t like their wrinkles and missing teeth should I enforce young only zone on ship or hotel ?how does that sound ?!! Humiliating ? So it’s not ok to humiliate old and ok to do this to kids ? Just because they are small and can’t answer ?!

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